600-800m Semi Auto...whats out there

baker42 said:
Minute of pizza box (MOP from now on) for a 223 auto loader seems very interesting and at a dry weight of 8.6lbs could go a long way. Has me wondering of the 6-800m accuracy then?!
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My suspicion is the SL8 would be 1.5 min average as best case scenerio. Battle rifles by nature, have a whole lot of moving parts and slop and that makes it really hard for precise and repeatable lock up.

Then the cyclic function can play havoc with barrel harmonics. But function is the whole point of these designs... for precise shooting, they have bolt rifles for that.

Love to hear how you make out and if you can find a NR semi that averages sub MOA at LR. I think sub 2 MOA is more realistic goal especially at the distances you are asking for.

Until you can shoot a DI AR with the proper bits and pieces... Then sub MOA is pretty much function of checking off the right boxes and paying for the rifle.

Jerry
 
I'm thinking you get some sort of M14 variant but put a 6mm barrel with a 1:8 to 1:9 twist barrel. I'd bet Krieger would do it for you - get it through Mystic - surely a wait for the 6 mm barrel.
Chamber it for 243 or 6XC or 6mm/22-250 and shoot up to 115 grainers.

That would be a scary rig with less recoil than the 308, so by default = more accurate.

I built an LRB M14 myself but thought of this after the fact - otherwise I'd have done it.
 
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You'll spend a whole lot of money to get a m14/m1a to reliably shoot 1 moa, and not even worth spending the time to think about getting it under 1 moa.

If you increase your budget you open your options to a lot more accurate guns.
 
I read these threads all the time of my tavor shoots 0.5" groups, my XCR.... my, my swiss arms...., my Famae blah blah blah. I have never seen it done before consistently. Yes my XCR shot a 5 shot group once under 1" at 100. But groups 2-5 were 2-3". I would pay to see someone puts 5 groups on one page, 5 shot each group with any semi auto under 1". Semi auto was never designed to do that. So enjoy that tool for what it was built for. I don't try to make a good drill out of a jack hammer, or vice versa. You want precision rifle, get a bolt. You want a semi auto for CQB or other fun shooting sports, get a semi auto.
 
MOA or better with a semi IS possible. Buckets of them being shot in the US but they are AR15's with DI gas systems. Just look at the Service Rifles/ High Power rifles shot at Camp Perry and similar matches.

I am working with an AR now for Can Service Rifle.... sub MOA for multiple 5rds groups at 100yds... no problem. I have helped others with match barrels from Krieger and McGowen and their rifles shoot great. In fact, one shooter almost made the 1/2 min game stickied on this forum.

Setting up a DI AR15 for accurate fire is really not that big a deal anymore... if we can get the parts.

The problem is Canada and non restricted and at a price. Here the options of actual accurate semis that fit all the requirements basically go to zero.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
MOA or better with a semi IS possible. Buckets of them being shot in the US but they are AR15's with DI gas systems. Just look at the Service Rifles/ High Power rifles shot at Camp Perry and similar matches.

I am working with an AR now for Can Service Rifle.... sub MOA for multiple 5rds groups at 100yds... no problem. I have helped others with match barrels from Krieger and McGowen and their rifles shoot great. In fact, one shooter almost made the 1/2 min game stickied on this forum.

Setting up a DI AR15 for accurate fire is really not that big a deal anymore... if we can get the parts.

The problem is Canada and non restricted and at a price. Here the options of actual accurate semis that fit all the requirements basically go to zero.

Jerry
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So basically after all that you came back to zero LOL which answered the question the OP had and what everyone is referring to LOL just pulling your leg Jerry
 
Chago said:
I read these threads all the time of my tavor shoots 0.5" groups, my XCR.... my, my swiss arms...., my Famae blah blah blah. I have never seen it done before consistently. Yes my XCR shot a 5 shot group once under 1" at 100. But groups 2-5 were 2-3". I would pay to see someone puts 5 groups on one page, 5 shot each group with any semi auto under 1". Semi auto was never designed to do that. So enjoy that tool for what it was built for. I don't try to make a good drill out of a jack hammer, or vice versa. You want precision rifle, get a bolt. You want a semi auto for CQB or other fun shooting sports, get a semi auto.
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Chago - While these aren't 5 groups, see the link below and look at post #147 from a US site for M1A rifles.

http://m14forum.com/accuracy/159256-official-m1a-1-5-moa-challenge-10.html

This is a highly refined M1A but one other person has achieved the same with a Krieger Match barreled M1A. Same challenge being run in Canada but 5 groups rather than 4. Some folks are close but no one yet has all under 1 MOA.
 
Pr589 said:
Chago - While these aren't 5 groups, see the link below and look at post #147 from a US site for M1A rifles.

http://m14forum.com/accuracy/159256-official-m1a-1-5-moa-challenge-10.html

This is a highly refined M1A but one other person has achieved the same with a Krieger Match barreled M1A. Same challenge being run in Canada but 5 groups rather than 4. Some folks are close but no one yet has all under 1 MOA.
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Sorry let me take back what I said and rephrase it. I know hunting semi auto like Browning Bar etc are capable of sub moa and rifles like the M1A. I shouldn't have generalized semi auto. What I was referring to and I think the OP was (I may be wrong but I thought he was) is black rifles.
 
The rifle described fits right in the center of a big hole in product availability in Canada.
It's either restricted, heavy, expensive, inaccurate, junk or any combination of the above.
 
True. There's MH but on the expensive side....if there is anyway to trim it down it would be in everyone's hands.
 
Chago said:
I read these threads all the time of my tavor shoots 0.5" groups, my XCR.... my, my swiss arms...., my Famae blah blah blah. I have never seen it done before consistently. Yes my XCR shot a 5 shot group once under 1" at 100. But groups 2-5 were 2-3". I would pay to see someone puts 5 groups on one page, 5 shot each group with any semi auto under 1". Semi auto was never designed to do that. So enjoy that tool for what it was built for. I don't try to make a good drill out of a jack hammer, or vice versa. You want precision rifle, get a bolt. You want a semi auto for CQB or other fun shooting sports, get a semi auto.
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Do I hear an MOA challenge for auto loaders maybe? Much like the ¾ MOA all day every day? (I know of the 1.5MOA M14 thread though)
No I don’t want a CQB rifle, and I am sorry if I didn’t make that clearer in my original post. I have shot, owned and competed against many rifles that would do, except for one thing they all were restricted!
Chago said:
Sorry let me take back what I said and rephrase it. I know hunting semi auto like Browning Bar etc are capable of sub moa and rifles like the M1A. I shouldn't have generalized semi auto. What I was referring to and I think the OP was (I may be wrong but I thought he was) is black rifles.
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I'll reffer you back to my original post;
Now I did put this on the precision forum and not black rifle/battle rifle because that is what I am looking for a "precision semi-auto". I don't care how it looks just how it shoots and meets what I am looking for!
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I am not talking black rifles only, if someone shows me their BAR long track in 300winmag meets these requirement and can do it to 6-800m all the better. I only ask that it holds MOA to this range. Don’t care on if it is in a beautiful beechnut stock or has a pistol grip with carbon fiber everything. All the rifles I tried so far had at least medium to heavy barrels and as many upgrades much the same as in a bolt gun in hopes to assist them in making the tiniest 5 rnd holes as possible

Chago said:
So basically after all that you came back to zero LOL which answered the question the OP had and what everyone is referring to LOL just pulling your leg Jerry
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Jerry’s post closely resembles my thought process when it has come to this topic.

I know if I increase the budget the modern hunter could fall into it. Let’s see what people say once more get out. Other than that I don’t know of much more in a larger budget that would make the cut, and keep the biggest one.... Non Restricted
 
This is what I am trying at this time

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Norc reciever
Douglas NM Med barrel
NM spring guide
NM gas system
Walnut stock (going to shoot first see before bedding)
It is sitting at 11.8lbs as it sits in the pic

I am still awaiting some parts as I am sure you can see. I don't like the cheap cheek rest I threw on there right now, will hunt for something else later.

If this doesn't meet my cut for the requirements then it will be back to the drawing board, aka reason behind this post
 
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