600 yard rifle
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I don't know what all the complaining is about. Sunray is always helpful...
It doesn't take magic to make a 600yd shot on a game animal, just practice. To paraphrase Aristotle, "you become good at something by practicing it, therefore, perfection is nothing more than habit". Practicing the shot again and again from various positions ensures that the body will take over and instinct will judge the distance and the wind, and put the shot exactly where it is meant to.
My only shot over 400yds was a buck at 550yds. From a K-98 Mauser chambered in .30-06. Weren't allowed on the field, but could shoot from the edges. 165gn Partition at 2900fps. I had a 500yd range to play with. I made the shot, got the buck...despite what Sunray claims.
Back in the day, I had a ranging optimeter, a rangematic 600, you know, double image system... Lost it in a flooded basement. Couold not dry out the paper dials so that they would work again, and then the printing came off... sigh. Could not make it work any more, but it was ACCURATE. 550 yds , raised the POI 18", slammed it through the boiler room. He went nowhere. It helped that the wind was pretty much in my face, though.
It doesn't take magic to make a 600yd shot on a game animal, just practice. To paraphrase Aristotle, "you become good at something by practicing it, therefore, perfection is nothing more than habit". Practicing the shot again and again from various positions ensures that the body will take over and instinct will judge the distance and the wind, and put the shot exactly where it is meant to.
My only shot over 400yds was a buck at 550yds. From a K-98 Mauser chambered in .30-06. Weren't allowed on the field, but could shoot from the edges. 165gn Partition at 2900fps. I had a 500yd range to play with. I made the shot, got the buck...despite what Sunray claims.
Back in the day, I had a ranging optimeter, a rangematic 600, you know, double image system... Lost it in a flooded basement. Couold not dry out the paper dials so that they would work again, and then the printing came off... sigh. Could not make it work any more, but it was ACCURATE. 550 yds , raised the POI 18", slammed it through the boiler room. He went nowhere. It helped that the wind was pretty much in my face, though.
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Once I have settled on a round and sighted in, there is no cleaning of the bore until after whatever particular season is over. Then it gets a bore snake once through. The outside gets cleaned and oiled as needed.
That sounds borderline ###..............
That what practice and a top rifle will do at 1000 metres, dont you agree that 600 metres is not that far to put a groups inside the 4 inch square, when conditions are there it is doable 10 out of 10 times... JP.
You would not want to shoot at a beast at this distance, you can clearly see by reading the target that those bullets are running out of steam...
You can see many holes ellongated perforation, a sure indication that the bullet at 1000 metres is definitly key holding...
Did not made calculation since i would not shoot at nothing at that distance even if the target are conclusive of top accuracy... I doubt 500 pounds of energy are left on those bullets... JP.
Correct about the bullet shape, but once that is decided it applies,
BTW: it's not my theory, I borrowed it from Brian Litz, he wrote the book I mentioned
and he's a member of this board.
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Thank you once again for all the information.......
It's not fair to compare a 185 grain Boat Tail VLD to a 200 grain soft point flat based hunting bullet. All things being equal though, the heavier bullet will ALWAYS have a higher BC meaning the bullet design is the same except for weight - meaning length of bearing surface.
I wasn't the one making a generalized grandiose statement that is incorrect. But if you are absolutely positive you are right, then by all means, hold a sermon and pound the pulpit.
But before you take a sip of water and launch into your diatribe, maybe compare the 155 Scenar to the 167 Scenar....
My pet load for my Nemesis used to be with 208 gr Amax, was really accurate, but i really nailed it with the 155 gr Scenars... For 1000 metres, the Scenars out of a 20 inch barrel 308 is much better for grouping than the 208 Amax... JP.
My 600 yard rig chambered in 300RUM loaded with 200gr Accubonds @ 3200fps isn't quite ready yet - well not really = the rifle and it's load are ready its me that isn't ready.
I just haven't had the time to get out enough to shoot this combo enough to risk a shot at any size of game at 600 yards.
When I do have a chance to get out I've been playing with my T/C Contenders carbines/Prohunters and practising my still hunting techniques = my longest shot on game (coastal blacktail bucks) these last 3 years was max 90 yards.
I just haven't had the time to get out enough to shoot this combo enough to risk a shot at any size of game at 600 yards.
When I do have a chance to get out I've been playing with my T/C Contenders carbines/Prohunters and practising my still hunting techniques = my longest shot on game (coastal blacktail bucks) these last 3 years was max 90 yards.
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Huh, this thread is going on... back to the op's original question.
I would have a look at the 338wm, I regularly shoot mine to 500, going to try 600 this winter. This is an every day hunting carry rig that weighs in around 9 and a bit. My referral to the 338wm are based on shooting 250 grn hunting bullets and taking game at 500 yards with good results. A fast 30 with a heavy for caliber bullet (think over 200 grains) would probably have a similar effect. I would not shoot .338 bullets under 225grns for distance.
Your Savage should be fine but buy a premium barrel. I put a #4 sporter contour weight on mine at a 26" length.
I think a 1.5 pound trigger weight is light for a hunting rig, think 2.5 - 3.5.
Buy good mounts and rings, think: Talley, Warne, Badger, Nightforce.
Buy good glass because there is a difference. I won't open that can of worms on this thread but suffice to say it really does matter. There is a guy on here that goes by Mystic Precision or something like that, PM him about glass, he is very knowledgable and may willing to educate someone who wants to learn.
A parting thought on energy. There is a group of us that shoot distance through the winter at paper and steel. One of the steel gongs is 1" mild steel. Up to 300 yards 3006, 7mmrm, fast 300's, 338wm, etc all make about the same divot in the steel. At 400 and 500 yards the 338wm is still gouging divots in the steel, all the rest are dusting the paint off the steel.
i had a 338 win mag a long time the 375 H&H is a smoother shooter and 300 gr. is a killer i used 225 in the 338 they flew the best barnes they were as i pack 3 loads as the max is to long for the mag. in the sako 85 ..i use the old av 375 for the bush
