6mm build

Yes, as you have to stay on target well enough to see your own bullet swirl and splash because there is no spotter and no big orange marker to tell you or show you were your bullets are going. And the positions you're shooting from aren't always the most stable...

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I'm only doing the 6 BRX from know on. I always had a regular br in the stable but not anymore. All it is is a br with the shoulders moved 100 thou forward. Leaving enough neck. 105, 34 gr Varget, 3175 fps. I own the reamer so it's now my pet cartridge.
 
donp said:
I'm only doing the 6 BRX from know on. I always had a regular br in the stable but not anymore. All it is is a br with the shoulders moved 100 thou forward. Leaving enough neck. 105, 34 gr Varget, 3175 fps. I own the reamer so it's now my pet cartridge.
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That is some great velocity! I can run my SLR at 3160fps using H1000. Never considered using Varget. I had thought about using H4350 next spring but heat and throat life have been causing me mixed thoughts about it.
 
Shooter I was running my 6slr well over 3200 with H1000 have you considered using magnum primers with this powder, I couldn't get the speed up until I did unless it was very hot outside.

OP if you want to shoot paper do a 6br they are a great super accurate round with good barrel life .
 
I would go 6creedmore, better barrel life then 243, almost the same velocoty due to a more efficient case, and easy to find creed more brass and neck it down. It is very popular down south in the f-class and precision matches.
 
I wouldn't say easy to find brass. I have a set of 6 Creedmoor dies, but have held off biying the reamer because I've only been able to scrounge up 150 pieces of 6.5 Creedmoor brass.

I'm tempted to go 6 SLR since I can use the 6 Creedmoor dies for it in conjunction with a 308 die (to size the bottom of the case body)
 
I just jumped into the PRS pond with a 6XC.

The clinchers... off the shelf quality dies and buckets of 22-250 brass.... seems you loose alot of brass at every match. Fire and forget Norma brass isn't going to happen.

Can't wait to send some lead down range and see how it works.

k, any links for the actual rules used for the rifles used in precision rifle series? I have looked 17 ways and found nothing for an actual equipment set of rules. Weird.

Also, examples of course of fire seem to be top secret too. Watched a bunch of vids... looks like a ton of fun... for a middle age overweight out of shape shooter :)

Jerry

PS Creedmoor brass is NOT easy to find... options are limited and you better bring $$$. For that alone, I have no idea why the 6Crd is so popular vs the 6XC
 
Mystic Precision said:
I just jumped into the PRS pond with a 6XC.

The clinchers... off the shelf quality dies and buckets of 22-250 brass.... seems you loose alot of brass at every match. Fire and forget Norma brass isn't going to happen.

Can't wait to send some lead down range and see how it works.

k, any links for the actual rules used for the rifles used in precision rifle series? I have looked 17 ways and found nothing for an actual equipment set of rules. Weird.

Also, examples of course of fire seem to be top secret too. Watched a bunch of vids... looks like a ton of fun... for a middle age overweight out of shape shooter :)

Jerry

PS Creedmoor brass is NOT easy to find... options are limited and you better bring $$$. For that alone, I have no idea why the 6Crd is so popular vs the 6XC
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Hornady Brass in Creedmore is $49/50 I hardly call that expensive.
 
Not when you loose a large amount in the grass during a match of 150 to 200 shots.... I have never shot a PRS match but from the vids, comments on forums, seems that fire and forget is likely what will happen to those dollar bill cases. And if you can get them for under $1 a piece, buy lots. My costs with current exchange shows a pretty big jump for 2015.

More importantly, can you find a steady enough supply or willing to buy enough in advance so that you can loose a bunch at each match and still have more to practise and compete next time?

But, whatever works for you.

I will be using PRVI 22-250 brass in my rifle. Very tough and handle toasty loads very well... not sure how Hrn will???

When buying in 1000case quantities... price drops to $56/100 even with this stupid exchange rate. That is not far off 1/2 price. Find some 1F Win or whatever at gun shows or on the EE and costs drop even more.

There is nothing magical about either case... The 6XC has been around as a formal cartridge for over 1 decade. There have been similar wildcats to both the XC and Creedmoor since the 70's so nothing new here. I can't see how one will be more mechanically accurate over the other.

Either case can be made from other cases. I just see the XC less hassle as this case WAS developed from the 22-250. Wanna keep those primer pockets tight? Better match the case and chamber well.

the Creedmoor from the shortened 308 family... alot more work to create.

Jerry
 
Well, in the US, 6mm Creedmoor brass is very easy to find. I floated the possibility of a group buy a few months ago, but Kombayotch pointed out that you can always make it from 6.5. So I bought all the 6.5 I could find.

I thought you could form 6 Creedmoor from 243 or 22-250 brass?
 
Mystic Precision said:
I just jumped into the PRS pond with a 6XC.

The clinchers... off the shelf quality dies and buckets of 22-250 brass.... seems you loose alot of brass at every match. Fire and forget Norma brass isn't going to happen.

Can't wait to send some lead down range and see how it works.

k, any links for the actual rules used for the rifles used in precision rifle series? I have looked 17 ways and found nothing for an actual equipment set of rules. Weird.

Also, examples of course of fire seem to be top secret too. Watched a bunch of vids... looks like a ton of fun... for a middle age overweight out of shape shooter :)

Jerry

PS Creedmoor brass is NOT easy to find... options are limited and you better bring $$$. For that alone, I have no idea why the 6Crd is so popular vs the 6XC
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Well, you can form 6mm Creedmoor from 22-250 just as you do for 6XC. Hornady, Nosler and Norma all make 6.5 Creedmoor brass. Winchester, Nosler and Hornady all make ammo for it. GA Precision has Hornady made 6mm Creedmoor brass. They always have ~100k on hand. So, its really no surprise that the 6mm Creedmoor is more popular. You could bring in a bunch of the 6mm Creedmoor brass if you have someone on the US side that can export it. George doesn't export...

You won't find a course of fire (CoF) that covers all PRS matches. The matches that make up the PRS are all individual matches. PRS is an umbrella organization. It is relatively new, and did not exist 5 years ago when I lived in the US. All of the matches were completely autonomous. What PRS does is use a formula to compare performance of all of the matches that are affiliated with them, then they bring the best shooters together for a finale match that they put on. You earn PRS points based on how you performed in the match relative to the top shooter. PRS points = (your score)/(top shooter's score) X100. The total of the PRS points for your 3 best matches are added up and the 50 people with the highest points are invited to the finale match (winning a match also automatically gets you an invitation to the finale and this year they have a qualification system for people who can only make one match). The PRS points from the finale are added to your total (if you made it to the finale) and the one closest to 400 wins $5000 and a custom rifle with a highend optic on it, in addition to a cool trophy.

Not all tactical precision matches in the US are affiliated with the PRS. However, tactical precision matches in the US usually have similar characteristics, such as shooting at multiple distances in the same string, odd distances and a lot of barricade shooting. This is because of the US experience in Iraq. Lots of walls/ledges there. Most balconies and rooftops have a ledge, so its often difficult to prone out. They have a lot of emphasis on speed because they were often on the defensive. When the militants decided to attack something, they knew that US snipers were present, so they didn't stick around for long. So, they often had to do things quickly. Because of Iraq, a lot of emphasis was put on trying to improve those skills and that filtered into the matches.

There are a few matches that have their CoF pubished, but it is not the norm. Most matches change their CoF every match like IPSC/IDPA. Having a fixed CoF is frowned upon. It's like always giving someone the same math or science test over and over again, with exactly the same problems/questions in it every time. Eventually, they would stop using the proper methodology to solve the problems. They would just memorize the answers of each step in solving the problem that are specific to that individual problem. We see that with the matches here. Most people don't know how to deal with movers properly. Our movers are always at the same speed (1.5 MPH), and always at the same distances. Ask most people how much they lead a mover and they will show you a linear distance with their fingers or tell you a distance from the edge or a scoring ring. This is even taught at clinics and in courses. Yet, it's fundamentally the wrong way to deal with a mover with modern optics. If they were given a target at an odd distance they haven't seen and at a different speed, and the distance and the speed was different every time in every match, they would probably struggle because they haven't learned how to solve the problem, they've memorized the solutions to specific situations. Its not taught that way down south at places like Rifles Only and K&M...

You will also not find a lot of equipment rules. If you need to put a ton of equipment rules in your match, it says one of two things: a) your idea of what the "proper equipment" is, is wrong. b) your match is a poor representation of what it is trying to simulate. A well designed match should push shooters to use the "proper equipment". The matches down there do that. You won't see sawhorse bipods, or barrels that are too long and too heavy to be practical in real use. You can bring them if you want, but you will be at a disadvantage, as you should be. If your method of making scope adjustments requires you to know your distance and target size in order to do math or have your magnification on a certain setting, you will do poorly (as you would in real life shooting rapidly under stress).
 
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Johnny Boom said:
Well, in the US, 6mm Creedmoor brass is very easy to find. I floated the possibility of a group buy a few months ago, but Kombayotch pointed out that you can always make it from 6.5. So I bought all the 6.5 I could find.

I thought you could form 6 Creedmoor from 243 or 22-250 brass?
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Living in Canada, the options are more limited then our friends below the 49th... so I build based on stuff I can get now and in the future. Our future...

First thing I do is study the case drawings. Then look for stuff to make it happen. Or more importantly, what I can afford to make happen

When you look at the Creedmoor case drawing, same base diameter as the 308/243 which is larger then the 22-250. A few thou bigger which may be increased depending on the tolerance of the reamer and during chambering. So what????

Brass will expand to fill the void presented. What happens when a case head stretches those few thou?... Loose primers and that brass is done, at least for the type of toasty loading that will be used in precision shooting.

Having wildcatted for many years, the one thing you never ever want to do is form your neck from the top part of a case. Thick brass, donuts, poor annealing, collapsing shoulders.... you want a migraine, have fun pushing back the entire top end of a case. To add insult to injury, some will want to start with Lapua cases.

Have fun... Of course it can be done.. I have done it. Doesn't mean I want to do again for the lifetime I am shooting a sport???

If there was a reliable and steady supply of 6 Creedmoor brass and dies, go for it. But for now, it is a true wildcat and you better have your thinking cap on and/or be able to source stuff out of the US. Oh, the only supply doesn't export...

6.5 Creedmoor brass is not exactly on every corner store shelf... Yes, I can supply. Order, wait, wait some more... but you will get it. I am my best supply and I don't trust it.

Need some in a hurry to make a match cause well, "the dog ate the ammo"?... See line above.

I have no preference for the 6XC except it is sized to use readily available stuff. Even if I have to go buy factory 22-250 ammo and pull components, it can be done and done locally.

So yes, you can also use 22-250 in a pinch to make Creedmoor BUT you also have a possible situation where what you end up with may not be 100% reliable. Pop a few primers and you are not likely to make any friends at the match.

For my competition planning, I do my very best to eliminate possible problems cause there is enough SH!T that pops up during a match. No use starting with ingredients that by definition may cause a problem.

Important, not important... entirely up to you.

Jerry
 
k, understood there is an active flavor to the event and stages. Enjoyed one match where shooter has to drag "his buddy" from firing point to firing point.

Another where you had to scale over some pretty big obstacles, rope ladders and all.

Shoot on or behind or though all manner of "natural" urban objects. Weak side. Bent over, side ways, this ways, that ways.

Then another where targets were numbered but you didn't shoot them sequentially... sounded like it was called as you finished 1 target. Interesting as you couldn't really preplan how your shots were going to flow. Then you went to the helicopter... yep, you got to shoot from the air. How cool is that?

How many rds do you need to carry? Forced reload, 30rds mags?

But there should be some basic gear rules.. no?

If there are no rules, so be it but I have little interest in going to a match somewhere USA and have the ref go, sorry, that is not allowed here... go home. Or ruin a match cause you forgot some whiz bang gidget.

1 rule I did see was rigid front bipods were not allowed for 1 match... Could it be used in another stage? But can you use a mono pod?

Some matches show shooters carrying big pillows. Others using nothing. Things strapped to their rifles, to themselves.

So what, bring everything you can dream up and see what the event COF let's you play with?

Maybe why everyone is walking with massive backpacks on????

Anyways, looks like alot of fun and lots of new skills to learn

For now, a new rifle and chamber to shoot... fun, fun, fun

Jerry
 
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