7.62x39 caliber. Do you use it for hunting? Range?

Yes the CZ 527 is a nice rifle. No do not [B[/B]buy one until CZ decides to install adjustable sights, they cheaped out, fixed (dovetail) rear for windage, for elevation you have no options but to replace the front sight. Completely useless on a $1k rifle. Front sights are unubtanium in Canada so where it shoots out of the box with irons is where it shoots. Bought one for my 12 yr old from wolverine for his first cf rifle and was very disappointed in CZ, wolverine tried but failed on a fix for the rifle. 4 months of "new rear sight is on the way" then " won't fit, screw base rather than dovetail". Shoots 5" low at 50yards, impossible to hit anything at 100. How to adjust elevation with different ammo obviously not something CZ thought was important. I have been coveting the 308 ranger rifle but I will not buy another CZ product. Unfortunately wolverine #### the bed on this rifle as well after many years of great service, so they didn't get a 858 buy or ranger buy from me either. So nice rifle, ####ty CZ service, do not buy CZ products until they fix what is already out. Ps try to find CZ mags for the 527 or ranger... Tells us something about how CZ values Canadians...
If wolverine or (very unlikely) CZ would care to respond I'm sure we'd all be interested.
Cheers,
Tom
 
Probably separate topic needed for this, doubt this is the way to get any attention to this matter. But good tip, thanks, and I will make sure the site is adjustable, especially like you said, $1000 bucks rifle. Not acceptable.
 
Thanks, been around the track with wolverine and czusa. No joy anywhere, ended up putting a leopold gold ring 2-7 on it from Northpro. Shoots nice but I was hoping my son could blaze away on open sights with my rather unlimited stock of surplus 762. Just rankles me that CZ doesn't give a rats axx about Canadian customers. might as well just whack the front and rear sights off before they sell them. Trying to get my 12 yr old to hit a discer blade at 140 yards (hold the front sight a few inches over the top!) was disappointing for him when he whacks it every time with a Cooey...
Cheers
 
As a ps, my sons a bit of a cocky fellow when it comes to plinking. He claimed that his misses (.22) on the discer were because " I'm hitting thru the hole in the middle", I called his bluff, went and put a tin can in the hole when he wasn't there. Next time out, ping ping, ting,ting,ping... Damn it's tough to be smarter than a twelve year old!
 
smitas5 said:
Just because I have buckets of it and would be cheap to practice at the range, I consider this caliber, but do correct me please, or maybe other surplus ammo caliber?
What kind of hunting you do with this caliber if you do and what range can it be used for at the range?

Also what kind of rifle?

Thank you
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7.62X39 is useable on deer at less than 100 yards, if you have soft point ammo.
 
conor_90 said:
Why not file down the front sight?
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Hey Conor, czusa actually has a formula on their website for calculating what front sight you need based on poi. They list a whole bunch of front sights, easily replaceable, just a kind of push button, order from czusa. Unfortunately as I mentioned, unobtanium in Canada...
 
I have A csa NR folder in 7.62x39
I use Barnaul sp ammo and fully intend to drop bear with it inside of 100yds. Almost the best cartridge to choose from, considering affordability.
My CSA x39 vz-58 is THE -IDEAL Pack gun.
5 rounds semi. If *SHTF* well... Multiple 30 Rd BHO mags on hand (also drums)
(Although 99% of the time I'm packing 5rds of Barnaul SP) but potential 30rd *reliable* mags all the less....

If you don't have a vz58 already... Go shopping.
You need one.
 
Just trying to help you find an easy solution to your problem. Many rifles come with a high front sight in case you want to change out the rear.

Like most on the hunting and sporting arms forum I don't know much about the CZ's. I have ordered many iron sights from the USA though.
 
Thanks, I've done my share of file, shoot, file some more! Just want people to know that the 527 is not a rifle to use with the factory irons without a frustration level... There is a real nice peep site that clamps on the oddball CZ dovetail, comes with a new front sight, would be sweet but cannot locate a source in Canada.
 
Another thing.........the magazine digs into your back carrying it muzzle up.I wear mine muzzle down ,magazine forward on the weak shoulder.Simply spin and shoulder in one motion...hand is already under the sling holding forend....Harold
 
smitas5 said:
What other caliber would you recommend thatvis stronger?
Still be good to have such, that gives you flexibility to have a lot of fun at the range for cheap, but would work well during hunt.
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.308 past 150 meters for me... Faster bullet = flatter trajectory, easier to make a shot at longer distances.

But that's (mostly) irrelevant for me. The only thing I shoot at longer distances is paper and coyotes.
 
grelmar said:
.308 past 150 meters for me... Faster bullet = flatter trajectory, easier to make a shot at longer distances.

But that's (mostly) irrelevant for me. The only thing I shoot at longer distances is paper and coyotes.
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This is a good point. I was approaching effective range based on energy available, but trajectory is a factor too. The drop of a x39 zero'd @200 is over 14" at 300, and slightly over 600 ft-lbs energy. Meanwhile a 150 gr in a 308 zero'd to 200 drops under 8" at 300, and still has over 1600 ft-lbs (which is higher than the muzzle energy of the x39 by about 100 ft-lbs.)
 
Suther said:
This is a good point. I was approaching effective range based on energy available, but trajectory is a factor too. The drop of a x39 zero'd @200 is over 14" at 300, and slightly over 600 ft-lbs energy. Meanwhile a 150 gr in a 308 zero'd to 200 drops under 8" at 300, and still has over 1600 ft-lbs (which is higher than the muzzle energy of the x39 by about 100 ft-lbs.)
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Bullet drop is something a lot of guys seem to minimize the importance of in practical shooting.

I can go out to the range, and consistently get good shot placement out to 400, 500 meters at known distances (everything is marked at the range). Shoot a group at 100, adjust the rear sight or scope for the next target at 200, 300, etc. Easy peasy.

But in the field? Are you going to laser-range-find every shot? No, you're not always going to have the time to fiddle with a battery powered gizmo, if you even remembered to bring it. Are you that good at eyeballing distances? No, you're not. Very, very few people are.

You can take a falling block 45-70 with graduated sights and hit targets at incredible distances. But in field shooting/hunting, the bullet drop is enormous, and you're better off trying to stay within 200 meters (actually, probably much less than that), rather than break out your drop chart before every shot.

x39 is a lot like that. The trajectory arc is pretty steep, and making a mistake in your calculations is the difference between an ethical heart/lung shot, and a grazing shot that breaks a few ribs and lets the animal run off to bleed to death/die of infection over a span of days.
 
One of my buddies and I bought a 527 (his) and a M85 (mine), basically because of cheap practice ammo. Sadly none of the surplus stuff tried so far will group less that 4" at 100 m. Not acceptable. Hunting wise, there's enough energy there to make it a 300 m rifle, but you'll have to learn to work around bullet drop (just like the 30-30 actually ). Going to load up some handloading soon and see how well it does then. - dan
 
dan belisle said:
One of my buddies and I bought a 527 (his) and a M85 (mine), basically because of cheap practice ammo. Sadly none of the surplus stuff tried so far will group less that 4" at 100 m. Not acceptable. Hunting wise, there's enough energy there to make it a 300 m rifle, but you'll have to learn to work around bullet drop (just like the 30-30 actually ). Going to load up some handloading soon and see how well it does then. - dan
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I disagree with it being a 300 yard round. With leverEvolution anmo, the 30-30 can retain 1000 ft-lbs of energy at 300 yds, which is a big difference from the 600 ft-lbs of the x39. In addition, x39 is only going 1500 fps, which is quite low for reliable expansion and the low weight for caliber means it will have less-than-stellar penetration. At 200 yds, its going 1755 fps, which is still a touch on the slow side for reliable expansion for most bullets.
 
I think given the ballistics it can do very well in thicker bush 100-150 max. Bullet selection would make a huge difference and needs to expand at lower velocity, the round in general does have a lot of frontal area to hit hard causing tissue damage. So in my thinking in this range, thin to medium skin game would be good .. and bigger animals within 50 ... but like others said, there are better options.

I think of the 7.62x39 as a lower velocity 30-30 semi auto with a lighter bullet.
Suther said:
I disagree with it being a 300 yard round. With leverEvolution anmo, the 30-30 can retain 1000 ft-lbs of energy at 300 yds, which is a big difference from the 600 ft-lbs of the x39. In addition, x39 is only going 1500 fps, which is quite low for reliable expansion and the low weight for caliber means it will have less-than-stellar penetration. At 200 yds, its going 1755 fps, which is still a touch on the slow side for reliable expansion for most bullets.
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