7.62x39 deer loads?

Some input from experienced readers needed here. I have a stash of .311 diameter Imperial (CIL) 150 grain Sabre Tips meant for the .303 British. Would these bullets be constructed in such a way that the lower velocity of the 7.62x39 would still offer reliable expansion at 150 to 200 yards?

Darryl
 
I will have to chrono some loads and see what I get. I imagine impact velocity should be about 1900 fps or higher.

Darryl

Please let me know how you make out as I have been toying with the idea of trying 150 grain SST's in the 7.62x39. I would imagine they would perform much the same as the old Imperial Sabre Tips.
 
Here is what I have come up with. Nosler ballistic tip bullets have a recommended minimum impact velocity of 1600 fps. I hazard a fair guess that Imperial Sabre tips and Hornady SST's would have similar minimums (for comparison Woodleigh recommends 1900 fps min. impact for their stout 130 grain 7.62x39 bullet). So I can start a 150 grain Sabre Tip out of the 16" barrelled Ruger at 2000 to 2100 fps. A ballistics calculator indicates that bullet slows to 1600 fps just short of 200 yards. 150 yards gives it 1850 fps. My practical limit for the 7.62x39 with any bullet is about 150 yards. So a well placed broadside shot should do a deer in pretty quick. Now to wait some actual field results. (still waiting on my Ruger American Ranch to arrive)

Darryl
 
I've been playing with a Howa 1500 Mini action rifle, chambered in 7.62x39.

Great little rifle. Light/handy/accurate.

Here's my take on it. Last fall I picked up a Mod 99 Savage chambered in 303 Savage. I was gifted a box of cartridges with it as well. The bullets weigh 190 grains and measure .310 diameter.

The little light came on.

The 303 Savage came along right during the transition period from black to smokeless powder. Heavy bullets, moving slow can be very effective on just about any game. One gentleman I know didn't have anything else nor did he want anything else. He shot bears, deer, moose etc with that old rifle which was handed down to him from his grandfather.

My next foray into the 7.62x39 will be with bullets in the 180 to 200 grain range.

Savage and Western Cartridge Co. loaded 36 grains of 4320 under the 190 grain bullets to get 2150 fps out of the little cartridge and a 23 inch bbl. That will handle just about anything in North America with properly expanding round nose bullets.

Where I see some issues with the information here is people want to use bullets that were designed to perform at higher velocities with relatively heavy construction.

There is no reason why the little M43 can't perform just as well with as the 303 Savage with heavy/lightly constructed or even relatively hard cast lead bullets say around 22 Brinnell.

We're trying to apply new tech to an old tech cartridge that was well thought out by people that knew what they were doing with the established tech of the time. We don't really NEED to try to reinvent the wheel. We need to re learn the old tech.

About the only thing we can enhance the old tech with is to use modern powders and primers to get similar results.

The M43 cartridge, when loaded with heavy bullets and powders such as RL22 something even slower should be able to mimic the results of the old 303 Savage or 32 Special. They used relatively fast powders such as 3031/4064 with relatively heavy charges in comparison to the bullet weight and especially when taking action strengths into account.

I might be going in the wrong direction and these loads should never be used in an SKS.

A 200 grain bullet traveling 2100+fps is a formidable beast.

With modern powders, magnum primers and light jacketed HEAVY BULLETS in late/strong actions, I believe the M43 is capable of some outstanding performance without being punishing.
 
I've loaded 174gr bullets at about 1800 fps MV in my SKS. Might get a bit more speed with a bolt action. Not much case capacity. Maximum is ~30 grains with very little or no space left to seat a longer heavy bullet.
 
Basically any of them? I can't think of a 7.62x39 load I wouldn't shoot a deer with. For deer it's a 200 yard max cartridge, anything that shoots within 4 MOA will do the job.

Get either of the 4198s and whatever 125 grain bullets are the cheapest.

I don't even bother reloading x39, can't beat the price of just pulling down Barnaul, uniforming the powder charges and reseating a 125 grain Sierra pro hunter. Done and done.

This is good advice. ^

It doesn't take a premium bullet to knock down a deer. Any of the soft point hunting bullets will do the job well. The sierra prohunter is a good bullet.
 
I've loaded 174gr bullets at about 1800 fps MV in my SKS. Might get a bit more speed with a bolt action. Not much case capacity. Maximum is ~30 grains with very little or no space left to seat a longer heavy bullet.

I agree. The thing I see here is that many are stuck on premium bullets with long ogives and boat tails.

None of this is necessary because of the limited performance this cartridge is capable of.

That's why I fully suggest the appropriateness of heavy cast bullets with flat bases and round or flat noses. Same shape would be appropriate for jacketed bullets. That would leave more space in the case for the right powder to get close to 2000fps. SAFE only in a strong/late bolt action.

I'm working on just this. Finding those heavy bullets with the shapes I'm interested in is the problem unless I purchase at least 500 at a time. In this instance only I am looking at partial boxes at gunshows.

The people that state this is a two hundred yard Deer cartridge are IMHO correct. Still the little 125 grain bullets in fmj do a formidable job on humans out to 400 meters quite well.

Very few animals just drop in their tracks when first hit, unless the spine is shattered or it's hit in the brain, a shot I sincerely don't recommend. The target is just to small for most shooters. Especially with an SKS.

However, a through and through lung shot from a heavy bullet will drop an animal quite quickly and leave an easily followed blood trail .

One other thing about slow moving, heavy bullets is that the animals are often more surprised and the hit leaves them confused. I've seen a lot of animals larger than Deer taken with black powder muzzle loaders using mini balls just stand where they were shot for several seconds before moving. Even then, their movements were not at top speed.

There is a very good case for using the relatively diminutive M43 round. There was a hunting program a few years ago showing a Russian Elk/Caribou hunter whose firearm of choice was an SKS with fmj bullets.
 
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170gr NP's at 2100 fps MV should expand properly out to 100 yards. And probably a bit further because these have a blunt nose. :cool:

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new vision for that caliber. thanks you for the development.

i will see the sks differently now ...
 
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That's for my Ruger No.1 which permits the 170gr NP to be seated way out and to be safely loaded at much higher pressure than safely possible for an SKS.

I haven't tried it but the 170gr NP can be safely loaded to about 1800 fps muzzle speed in an SKS since I safely got the 174gr RN going that fast.

I might give it a try in my Mini-30, a funner rifle to play with than the SKS. ;)

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7.62x39 Ruger Mini-30 with Leupold Mark AR 1.5-4x20mm
 
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Hey, how did you get your Mark AR to work with the Mini? I tried putting the same one on mine with the included rings and brass hits the windage turret.
 
I've loaded 174gr bullets at about 1800 fps MV in my SKS. Might get a bit more speed with a bolt action. Not much case capacity. Maximum is ~30 grains with very little or no space left to seat a longer heavy bullet.

...the appropriateness of heavy cast bullets with flat bases and round or flat noses. Same shape would be appropriate for jacketed bullets. That would leave more space in the case for the right powder to get close to 2000fps. SAFE only in a strong/late bolt action...

Easier of course to maximize case capacity if COAL isn't limited as it isn't in the Ruger No.1 and which has a long throat. Not that there is much additional capacity to be gained since it's a rather small case. I'm able to get substantially more speed by boosting chamber pressure through the roof which seems to be safe in the strong No.1 action.

A couple of flat nose jacketed bullets come to mind as alternatives to cast bullets - the Hornady 170gr FN and the Woodleigh 150gr FN. Better suited at close range because of the dismal ballistic coefficient values.

More of stunt in my mind to see if an instant kill results using the x39 on heavy game . I would aim for the shoulder joint as I generally do. With the shot placed lower it would likely bugger off into the thickets making it more work to recover.

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I just measured the ring height to be ~28mm from the base of the ring mount to the joint with the top half of the ring. I have since re-positioned the scope to be about in the middle between the front and rear rings. No issues with ejected brass hitting the windage turret there either. I wonder if my rings are extra high??
 
I think the included ones are all the same, no? IE extra high... Mine are marked #5. Mine's a 583 series, dunno if that has any bearing on things.

Not a big stress anyway, I've come to prefer it lighter and handier with just the irons. I had a Nikon mounted for a while but eventually just took it off.
 
Ohhhhh... duh. Now that I look closely, actually it's not the exact same scope. Mine is the illuminated reticle version with the extended turrets for BDC and windage adjustments. They're a fair bit longer than on yours.
 
My 4 point buck this year was thumped by a federal fusion 123gr SP out of my sks at about 30yards...BANG....flop.
 
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