7.62x54R in modern sniper rifles

tetan, sorry no link for the article. It was in Shotgun News a couple of years ago, believe the article was written by David Fortier or Peter Kokalis. Shows the entire weapon stripped down and at its heart is surplu Mosin Nagant, complete with integral magazine.
 
Just saw that TKIV info was already posted.

Okay, the only thing that stands in the way of MN platform being accurate is a huge bullet jump used by the Russians to compensate for any possible defective ammo where the bullets could be seated not deep enough. If re-barreled with a decently chambered bbl, MN receivers wound be no different from any other platform.
 
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tetan, sorry no link for the article. It was in Shotgun News a couple of years ago, believe the article was written by David Fortier or Peter Kokalis. Shows the entire weapon stripped down and at its heart is surplu Mosin Nagant, complete with integral magazine.
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It was David Fortier
 
svt-40 said:
Just saw that TKIV info was already posted.

Okay, the only thing that stands in the way of MN platform being accurate is a huge bullet jump used by the Russians to compensate for any possible defective ammo where the bullets could be seated not deep enough. If re-barreled with a decently chambered bbl, MN receivers wound be no different from any other platform.
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From what I've read so far, they not only re-barreled old MN receivers but added some special match trigger and stock with aluminum beading. But to assure proper mounting they had to hot-press special sleeve right on barrel and use it as recoil lug. It is very unusual and interesting solution.
Apparently, guns were converted by famous Valmet.

I'm just wondering if there would be any problems importing such gun into Canada? Can anybody check if we have FIN for TKIV 85?
 
tetan said:
But the most interesting is that newest Russian CISM rifle I've mentioned in my original post. I've seen some results from professional military competition and I have to tell you that rifle shows performance identical to performance of AI/AW. Here is a military version of this rifle: http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn28-e.htm
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I wouldn't be so sure. You never know what kind of tuning the rifle had. Any remington 700 can be turned into a sub MOA gun with a gun smith who knows what he's doing and a competant reloader.

The link you provided claims 2" (5 cm) at 300m. the AIAW is guaranteed to shoot 0.5 MOA or better (1.5" at 275m/300 yards).

But anyways it would be very nice to have SV98's here. I don't understand why they are not being imported. I'd buy one if given the chance.
Here is soem additonal info:
http://www.snipercentral.com/sv98.htm
 
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nickorette said:
But anyways it would be very nice to have SV98's here. I don't understand why they are not being imported. I'd buy one if given the chance.
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Don't get carried away by advertising. Remember, it's Russia and all specifications are based on the best hand tuned production samples they could turn out. I lived there for some 30 years, I know them all too well.

Quote from a real owner of production Record:
The gun's manual states that average group is 4" at 300 m
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For your reference, a new Record will ring you US$4000 in Russia. Make that $5000 CDN.
 
I think the reason the Russians held on to the 7.62/54 for so long has as much to do with their tactics as the cartridge.
The SVD was originally designed for unit sharpshooters to bring a squads effective range out to 600 meters. Most urban sniping is done at much shorter ranges than that.
For ranges out past 600 meters they have an equivalent to the Barret in something like .14mm.

When I first saw this thread I thought it would be about the iraq 7.62/54 sharpshooter rifle that looks kind of like a SVD. I know people hate them but they are actually a clever weapon. They are rugged ,work like an AK so every goat F%$er knows how to use it and they take the most powerful local ubiquitous cartridge. It is more than enough for aimed fire way past what a M4 or AK can do and is sufficient for urban sniping or even antisniping. The yanks have the Squad designated marksmen rifle as well which looks a lot like a long barreled C7 but is still just 5.56.

Those SV98's are neat but I can't go to snipercentral without checking out the PH M-85.
It makes that current UK rifle look like such a plastic piece of crap.
 
svt-40 said:
For your reference, a new Record will ring you US$4000 in Russia. Make that $5000 CDN.
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First of all they (Russia and Russians) are not the same anymore. Recent ten years have made huge changes in peoples mentalities and the way business is done.

Accuracy.
You will also get 5 inch from your AI/AW if you feed it with Czech surplus from 1950th. Do not speculate about accuracy of SV98 since it's accuracy is the same as AI and it was confirmed on numerous occasions and high rank competitions.

And very last thing - price. :)
Do you know that SVT-40 retails in Russia for up to $2000US (if in good shape)? Do you know that basic Rem700 costs more than $2000US in Russia? You can not compare street prices and factory prices without taking into account government's price strategy. Russian government purposely makes gun's prices high so very few people can afford them.
It is the same here when it comes to alcohol and cigarettes. FYI one pack of Marlboro retails for about half a dollar in Russia. ;)

IMHO SV98 has price tag of about $1K FOB. After all the same factory sell SVD package(with scope) for about $1.5K to Finland.
 
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When I first saw this thread I thought it would be about the iraq 7.62/54 sharpshooter rifle that looks kind of like a SVD.
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I do not know what rifle you are referring to. :redface:
What is the name and model for that rifle? Any link to read about it?
 
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tetan said:
Splatter

But it does not answer a question why no other deal picked up their line!
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Have you ever tried to get stuff out of Russia? Does "it's not what you know but who you know" sound familiar to you...

I got to play with the single shot version of the SV-98 that Armrus had...
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Looked well built and I don't remember it to be that much $$.
(No where near $5000)
 
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Have you ever tried to get stuff out of Russia? Does "it's not what you know but who you know" sound familiar to you...
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It use to be like that but not anymore. Now they have RosOboronExport and any dealer with proper license can submit RFQ, get price quote and buy all they want. Some of big Russian manufacturers are licensed by government to sell weapons direct but procedure is the same. Putin have brought an order into Russian foreign arms trade and getting guns from Russia nowadays is not any different from buying guns from Germany. International gun trade is governed by international law which Russia strictly obeys.
 
The 7.62 x54, if built as a true 30 caliber, should make a very good precision cartridge. It is, after all, not too different from a 7.5x55 Swiss with a rim. I have toyed with the idea of building one for a fun "F" class rifle. It will perform at a level very close to the 30/06 so should easily drive 200 grain bullets in excess of 2700 fps. Regards, Bill
 
just to resurrect an interest in modern Russian rifles discussed in this thread, I have ordered and will import some of them shortly. ETA July first. There are many interesting models, the most attractive probably is Record 338. It's a version of SV-98 chambered in 338 Lapua Magnum. Sorry for poor picture:
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mysticplayer said:
Russians are pragmatists for the most part. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

The 7.62X54R is to them what the 308 is to NA shooters. A standard that is hard to change despite the many 'better' options.

Unfortunately, Russian firearm tech is usually looked upon as crude and second rate despite the fact that they do very well in certain disciplines.

NA shooters have decided that a rimmed cartridge cannot be a modern cartridge so why bother offering a rifle for that. I see that they also make a 308 version. I am sure that would get a bit more interest.

As more target shooters discover the benefits of certain Russian rifles, the interest IS growing for their stuff. Will always be small vs the domestic stuff.

The Moisin Nagant can be made into a very nice shooting rig. The mag system runs surprisingly smoothly and the trigger can be tuned to a very nice pull.

I have seen modified MN's used in major sniper shoots in E. Europe. There certainly is no fear that the action will not work when dirty :)

Within the performance of the 7.62R cartridge, works just fine.

Also, reports show that ammo made specifically for accuracy from E. block countries shoot very very well. Stuff we just don't see on this side of the pond.
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Just to clarify the point above, is it that a rimmed round is not fashionable, or is there a problem with rims that prevents it from being super accurate?
I was under the impression that a rim actually helps with headspacing etc, and could potentially be an accuracy aid. In the right cartridge and rifle of course.
The trend seems to be short and fat, so that rules out many of the older designs.
 
TeaPot2 said:
just to resurrect an interest in modern Russian rifles discussed in this thread, I have ordered and will import some of them shortly. ETA July first. There are many interesting models, the most attractive probably is Record 338. It's a version of SV-98 chambered in 338 Lapua Magnum. Sorry for poor picture:
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Any details on price ranges?
 
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