7.63 x 25 (.30 Mauser)

.30 Mauser or 7.62x25? The surplus 7.62x25 currently available should not be fired in a M96 Mauser pistol.
 
tiriaq said:
But 7.62x25TT is not the same load as .30 Mauser, even if the rounds are dimensionally the same.

Some 7.62x25TT is loaded really hot.
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You are correct. Just in case there is some misunderstanding the correct terminology for .30 Mauser is 7.63x25, which as you have pointed out is not to be confused with 7.62x25.
 
loki_81 said:
You are correct. Just in case there is some misunderstanding the correct terminology for .30 Mauser is 7.63x25, which as you have pointed out is not to be confused with 7.62x25.
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IIRC, .30 Mauser/7.63x25 will chamber and fire safely in a Tokarev chambered gun, but not the other way around because of the higher pressures in the Tok.
 
German and Czech 7.63 Mauser was actually loaded rather hot and all Mauser and Tokarev ammo should be perfectly interchangeable. Unfortunately, a good number of less-than-good-condition Mauser pistols came out of China and sullied the reputation of an otherwise very strong action. A good condition Mauser, with up-to-spec springs, should be ok with just about any TT load. I would be more concerned with a CZ52 than a Mauser.
 
jonnyc said:
German and Czech 7.63 Mauser was actually loaded rather hot and all Mauser and Tokarev ammo should be perfectly interchangeable. Unfortunately, a good number of less-than-good-condition Mauser pistols came out of China and sullied the reputation of an otherwise very strong action. A good condition Mauser, with up-to-spec springs, should be ok with just about any TT load. I would be more concerned with a CZ52 than a Mauser.
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NO!

I have a C96 in excellent shape (from loki above), and just the same know I would destroy it by shooting the Tork 7.62. They are not interchangeable even if people have gotten away with it, you can fire .30 Mauser in a Tork as mentioned by others, but NOT the other way around also as mentioned above by others.

I bought 500 rounds of .30 Mauser PVRI from Budget Shooter Supply / Henry, great stuff.
 
Do a little research on the velocity/pressure of various 7.62 and 7.63 production. There is no hard and fast rule that ALL Tokarev ammo is hotter than ALL Mauser ammo. Just ain't true.
 
or just buy .30 mauser and reload after with safe data don't fool around a destroy a 100 year old gun because of some guy behind a computer screen says its safe to use something else anyway surplus is corrosive
 
Try CanAmmo one of the sponsers they have it. 7.63x25 Mauser. Also it is not dimensionally the same as 7.62 Tokerov. there is a length diference. rigrat
 
Rigrat, that's not true at all. Measure 3 brands of Tokarev and 3 brands of Mauser...........tell us what you get.
 
The Czech ammo which is on the market today was never intended to go through a Tokarev pistol.

It was designed for the VZ-52 pistol, which had a VERY strong double-roller locking mechanism redesigned from the MG-42 machinegun. Same stuff was used in a family of SMGs, which is why it is in clips: SMG had a loading slot built-in.

The stuff will work in a Tokarev because the thing is just so darned tough, but it IS hard even on the Tokarev. Same ammo would be a flatly excessive load for an original Mauser...... and it would likely wreck a $30,000 Borchardt with a single magazine-load.

MY Tokarev is a 1952 Hungarian-made gun: good, solid and highly accurate. It came out of Angola, about 35 years ago; I regard it as too historically important to take chances with. IT GETS HANDLOADS. I did try some of the Czech stuff in it, but ran into excessive recoil right from Round 1..... and into (expensive) grief in TWO mags.

For a Mauser, this would be like feeding the poor thing a steady diet of Proof loads when you know it was designed to take ONE ONLY.

Caveat emptor.
 
smellie said:
The Czech ammo which is on the market today was never intended to go through a Tokarev pistol.

It was designed for the VZ-52 pistol, which had a VERY strong double-roller locking mechanism redesigned from the MG-42 machinegun. Same stuff was used in a family of SMGs, which is why it is in clips: SMG had a loading slot built-in.<snip>
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The belief that a Czech VZ-52 pistol is stronger than a Tokarev is widespread but it is a myth. One American gentleman whose name I do not recall (oh, the joys of old age!) has an interesting hobby -- he overloads cartridges to see how much a firearm can take before it self-destructs. Using the same loads on a VZ-52, a TT-33, and a C 96, he found that the VZ exploded easily while the Tokarev could swallow the most violent load he could cram into the tiny case. Interestingly, the Mauser C 96 failed only because the primer would blow out of the cartridge; the gun itself was fine. The problem with the VZ is the recesses for the rollers -- they make automatic weak points.

DO NOT TAKE THIS AS GOSPEL. It is only what I recall reading some years ago.
 
There is no ammo on our Canadian market right now that will damage or hurt Tok pistol. Some ammo is hotter than other. Steel case ammo is generally harder on the action, so look for brass cased ammo. As other gunnuters suggested find brass cased 7.62x25 ammo, pull the bullets and reduce the powder charge by 50%, then add powder in few grains to find suitable load for your c96 broomhandle. Its fun and less expensive than buying fiocci 7.63 that may or not be available?

g76
 
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