Loading .311 bullets into a .308? Using an unknown propellant? Developing unknown pressures? Well if your life is only worth $140, I'm sorry for you! You are taking a chance, with your firearm, your immediate health and maybe your life. Have your will made out just in case. Spend the $140 and build yourself ammunition that will actually maximize the potential that your rifle is capable of, safely.
700 rounds 7.62x39, what's the best way to pull the bullets?
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I was going to say Forster Products, because I use this:
http://www.champchoice.com/detail.php?item=011451
But I can't find the disk puller on their web site and can't remember who I got them from. This kind of puller is excellent for pulling lots of milsurp bullets in short time, as all you are doing is changing the rounds in the press and the bullets just fall into the bucket under the bench.
http://www.champchoice.com/detail.php?item=011451
But I can't find the disk puller on their web site and can't remember who I got them from. This kind of puller is excellent for pulling lots of milsurp bullets in short time, as all you are doing is changing the rounds in the press and the bullets just fall into the bucket under the bench.
I like that one, but have never been able to find one. BTW how do the bullets get to the bucket?I was going to say Forster Products, because I use this:
http://www.champchoice.com/detail.php?item=011451
But I can't find the disk puller on their web site and can't remember who I got them from. This kind of puller is excellent for pulling lots of milsurp bullets in short time, as all you are doing is changing the rounds in the press and the bullets just fall into the bucket under the bench.
Are you saying you are planning to use the powder charge from one 7.62x39 transplanted into a .308W case? If so, that is a VERY BAD idea. The bigger case will have way too much volume and the powder may not ignite reliably, which could result in a high order detonation, which will wreck your rifle and likely sensitive parts of you.
Is it really worth saving a few cents a round to risk destroying an expensive rifle and possibly landing yourself in hospital to have bits of metal pulled out of your face?
Friend, you need to revisit your math....as in are you going to be shooting a sufficient number of rounds to warrant such effort.
At the moment you are by your own math reloading for Can $40.00 per hundred with minimal effort and risk...the question is whether your time and effort is really worth Can $20.00 per hundred, particularly when the results will be of doubtful benefit.
James Stuart.
I was going to say Forster Products, because I use this:
http://www.champchoice.com/detail.php?item=011451
But I can't find the disk puller on their web site and can't remember who I got them from. This kind of puller is excellent for pulling lots of milsurp bullets in short time, as all you are doing is changing the rounds in the press and the bullets just fall into the bucket under the bench.
I used one of those when I first got into Professional Trapping...they f_ck the projectiles, the Forster collet puller on the other hand works perfectly.
You won't get detonation but you may well experience the SEE effect. See occurs when part of the powder ignites moving the bullet into the barrel followed by the remainder of the charge igniting. The effect is the same as if you had a blocked barrel with exactly the same results. Rifle comes apart...quickly!
Pulling jacketed bullets with a larger diameter and trying to shoot them in a smaller diameter barrel is not jsut a bad idea it is a stupid one as well. To add insult to injury you then plan to just pour the powder into a larger case and cross your fingers...I suggest you cross them before you pull the trigger as you may not have fingers to cross after the trigger is pulled. May not all be bad you may not be able to see the effect anyway as you may just lose your sight as well.
Darwin Award indeed.
Take Care
Bob
Pulling jacketed bullets with a larger diameter and trying to shoot them in a smaller diameter barrel is not jsut a bad idea it is a stupid one as well. To add insult to injury you then plan to just pour the powder into a larger case and cross your fingers...I suggest you cross them before you pull the trigger as you may not have fingers to cross after the trigger is pulled. May not all be bad you may not be able to see the effect anyway as you may just lose your sight as well.
Darwin Award indeed.
Take Care
Bob
These guys are right,first of all you have to order a bullet puller there goes part of your savings.After you get all these bullets pulled who says they will even shoot accuratly.A 311 bullet will work in a 308 bore but I won't even think of using the powder.You get done pulling all these and they don't shoot there you sit will a bunch of crap nobody can use.If i were you I would flog the bullets to someone who can use them take the money and buy some real bullets and powder.
Yes, they do scratch quite a bit. But if you are just getting rid of military steel cored FMJs to replace them with softpoints, that does not really matter.
Just place a big bucket under the press and use svt-40's proprietary method: punch a hole in a piece of heavy aluminum foil and screw the puller into the press thru that hole, then shape foil so that the bullets would fall thru one side into the bucket.
However you right, it looks like Forster discontinued the product.
If you look up SEE, you will find that it occurs because the powder is improperly ignited. The powder smoulders which causes the nitroglycerine to be released as a vapour. The nitro vapour then detonates in a high order explosion, taking the rifle and possibly the shooter with it.
For a more complete explanation of SEE see http://guns.connect.fi/gow/arcane1.html
A few quotes for the unbelieving
As for pushing a .310" bullet down a .308" bore, I guess my early Ruger Ranch Rifle probably exploded years ago... oh no, wait, it didn't!
In the 1950's, Bruce Hodgdon figured-out that the powder he was getting from those 20mm Oerlikon shells would work-out to be just the ticket for heavier bullets in the .25-06? How do you suppose he did that?
Is it _possible_ that you'll get injured or even killed shooting reloaded ammo?
Ja, but even with lots of experimentation you're more likely to get in a crash on your way to the range.
In the 1950's, Bruce Hodgdon figured-out that the powder he was getting from those 20mm Oerlikon shells would work-out to be just the ticket for heavier bullets in the .25-06? How do you suppose he did that?
Is it _possible_ that you'll get injured or even killed shooting reloaded ammo?
Ja, but even with lots of experimentation you're more likely to get in a crash on your way to the range.
"If you look up SEE, you will find that it occurs because the powder is improperly ignited. The powder smoulders which causes the nitroglycerine to be released as a vapour. The nitro vapour then detonates in a high order explosion, taking the rifle and possibly the shooter with it."
Interesting but labs have been trying to reproduce this so called detonation and it's theory for years without sucess. SEE has been documented and replicated in labs.
Reduced loads in rifle cases when using cast bullets has been around for years. My favourite is 20 gr of 2400 under my cast Lyman 311291 bullet in my 30-06. (Groups of less than 1/2" at 100 yds are normal in my Husquavarna over a bench). 15 gr of the same powder under my Lee 312 -155 bullet works well in my 7.62x39. Other cartridges I use similar loads in are .303 Brit and .308 win with excellent results using cast bullets.
Throwing together a concoction that has been described in the first thread is a recipe for disaster if not very disapointing results.
Take Care
Bob
Interesting but labs have been trying to reproduce this so called detonation and it's theory for years without sucess. SEE has been documented and replicated in labs.
Reduced loads in rifle cases when using cast bullets has been around for years. My favourite is 20 gr of 2400 under my cast Lyman 311291 bullet in my 30-06. (Groups of less than 1/2" at 100 yds are normal in my Husquavarna over a bench). 15 gr of the same powder under my Lee 312 -155 bullet works well in my 7.62x39. Other cartridges I use similar loads in are .303 Brit and .308 win with excellent results using cast bullets.
Throwing together a concoction that has been described in the first thread is a recipe for disaster if not very disapointing results.
Take Care
Bob
Reduced loads with cast bullets are safer than with jacketed, what is described here isnt what Hogdon did, no doubt they had the powder analysed for chemical components, burn ratio etc and then started to run numbers before loading test loads in a very controlled and safe lab.
Feel free to try the same, one of the first rules learnt in reloading from our American friends is never to mix components/use those which arent labelled.
Not what I would do so get stuck in!
If I have lots of recovered powder from failed loads etc that I cant identify then I burn it off.
Yes its a waste of money but its a safe waste!
Feel free to try the same, one of the first rules learnt in reloading from our American friends is never to mix components/use those which arent labelled.
Not what I would do so get stuck in!
If I have lots of recovered powder from failed loads etc that I cant identify then I burn it off.
Yes its a waste of money but its a safe waste!
Hey! What the heck are you doing! This is a hand-wringing " don't do it, you'll blow Canada off the map!
" thread. We'll have no hint of common sense and ingenuity here! One more like that and you will be reported to the mods. That is your only warning.
