The 7x61 is 50-100 fps slower than 7 rem mag. The 7 prc has a full diameter body, and it should be equal or better than 7rm. I have nothing against the rimmed cartridges, but I want to push a 195 bullet from my current rifle. The best option right now is to load 7mm rem mag with the bullet a little into the case. But I think if I can get 7 prc brass and dies that wild be a better option. Plus it's impossible to find 7 rem mag brass that's high quality. I have 100pcs of new norma brass, but I'll hold off until more news about 7 prc.
7mm PRC
- Thread starter Restoule
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For sure, but they came on the market when the 6.5 was really taking off - Not that 6.5s were new or anything, but they really started to proliferate shortly before 6.5CM was launched (6.5 Grendel, 6.5x47, 6.5-284 were all on the market when the CM came out IIRC).
7mm doesn't have that same "cool" factor or whatever you want to call it. I feel like 7mm was the cool caliber BEFORE the 6.5s got popular, and the 6.5s have taken a lot of their market share. Maybe I'll be proven wrong and this will have the same sort of fanfare as the 6.5 and 300prc's, but if I was in your shoes I would be looking to get a lot of brass early on just in case it becomes impossible to find in 5 or 10 years.
I'm curious as to your opinion on this vs 28 Nosler? It seems to me that 28Nosler can do anything the 7prc can do, and then some? You can even get fast-twist rifles in 28 Nosler, Browning makes at least one option with an 8 twist, and Savage uses a 8.44 twist.
Smaller case capacity, it wont exceed the 7 RM at equal pressure. - dan
Yea but I think comparing them with 195s out of my rifle I'll see an improvement on the prc. Because I have to push the bullet in to fit the mag. I don't know, maybe I'll load some 195s in my rem mag to get a fps reading and test it?
I used to want the 28 nosler. Again it won't fit my mag, and the barrel life is horrendous. A coworker had one and he got 600 rounds before accuracy was affected. Like over 2 moa groups...
The plan is definitely to get probably 2-300 cases of the bat. I'll be able to sell them if I don't like it.
Assuming the same bullet at the same velocity wouldn't 28N and 7prc have similar barrel life? I get that 28N holds more powder but if you're handloading nothing says you have to hotrod it?
And as for mag length I thought it was the same length as 7rem mag?
And as for mag length I thought it was the same length as 7rem mag?
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7 rem mag is 2.229 to the neck junction, and the 28 nosler is 2.314.
And i get what you're saying about the 28 barrel life, I'm not an expert. I have no idea how long the 7prc will last. It just has less case capacity than the rem mag so it should be better barrel life. I got about 1200 rounds from the rem mag and it was suffering toward the end. But I had a lot of time with it so I'm happy.
Also I think it's not a good idea to load cartridges with less powder than designed accuracy wise. Again, not an expert, that's just what I've heard.
And i get what you're saying about the 28 barrel life, I'm not an expert. I have no idea how long the 7prc will last. It just has less case capacity than the rem mag so it should be better barrel life. I got about 1200 rounds from the rem mag and it was suffering toward the end. But I had a lot of time with it so I'm happy.
Also I think it's not a good idea to load cartridges with less powder than designed accuracy wise. Again, not an expert, that's just what I've heard.
7 rem mag is 2.229 to the neck junction, and the 28 nosler is 2.314.
And i get what you're saying about the 28 barrel life, I'm not an expert. I have no idea how long the 7prc will last. It just has less case capacity than the rem mag so it should be better barrel life. I got about 1200 rounds from the rem mag and it was suffering toward the end. But I had a lot of time with it so I'm happy.
Also I think it's not a good idea to load cartridges with less powder than designed accuracy wise. Again, not an expert, that's just what I've heard.
And i get what you're saying about the 28 barrel life, I'm not an expert. I have no idea how long the 7prc will last. It just has less case capacity than the rem mag so it should be better barrel life. I got about 1200 rounds from the rem mag and it was suffering toward the end. But I had a lot of time with it so I'm happy.
Also I think it's not a good idea to load cartridges with less powder than designed accuracy wise. Again, not an expert, that's just what I've heard.
Almost identical case capacity to the prc. Shorter length length than the 7 RM. Seems to meet all the requirements. Throw a fast twist barrel on a long action, and youre there. Just hard to find brass for, though it is easily made from common belted magnum cases. But it is indeed old tech, and if hornady can actually get brass out to the masses, it would be a better choice i suppose. Incidentally, if anyone is still looking for 28 Nosler or 7 STW brass P&D had some when i was in there yesterday. - dan
7x61 super brass is higher capacity. It is ballistically within a few feet of the 7Rem Mag. - dan
40 plus years of relaoding for 4 different 7 Rem Mags, 2 7x61's, one 7 Wby, and a 7mm-378. Now tell us all your experience. Try it. Run them over a chronograph. notice how small the difference is. Or, just do what you like. It's a discussion, not an argument. - dan
Oh and incidentally, if you use factory ammo, the 7x61 is usually faster than the 7 Rem Mag. Norma loads them hot. I think the PRC is a marketing shot to reinvent the wheel, so my best advice to you is to buy LOTS of brass. Ask the guys (me included) who have 7 SAUM's and 7 WSM's. Or the 6.5 and 350 Rem Mags. Good luck. - dan
OK fair enough. I'm just saying that it doesn't really make sense.
I definitely don't have 40 years experience. I have about 12 reloading and only with 7mm rem mag, 7-08 and 7-08 AI. To be honest I wish there was more info on the 7x61 as its similar to what I shoot already.
If you have data, please post some numbers. If the 7x61 truly is similar, I may consider it.
I have data for the 7 rem mag that's it. Do you have data for the 7x61 with a 168 grain bullet? We could compare.
Also, the PRC is definitely marketing not arguing that. It just happens to be almost perfect for what I want.
I definitely don't have 40 years experience. I have about 12 reloading and only with 7mm rem mag, 7-08 and 7-08 AI. To be honest I wish there was more info on the 7x61 as its similar to what I shoot already.
If you have data, please post some numbers. If the 7x61 truly is similar, I may consider it.
I have data for the 7 rem mag that's it. Do you have data for the 7x61 with a 168 grain bullet? We could compare.
Also, the PRC is definitely marketing not arguing that. It just happens to be almost perfect for what I want.
I have data for 160 gr bullets, which is what I load all the medium sized case 7mm's I load for with. For standard twist rifles it has given me the best combination of downrange performance, both ballistically and on game. Now, keep in mind that the vast majority of sporting rifles in & Rem Mag have 24" barrels, and all the samples I have of the 7x61 have had 26" barrels. As well, 7z61 chambers are cut with freebore, same as a Wby. This allows slightly higher velocities. Now, loads with Win 760, H or IMR 4831 Or RL22 or 25 (haven't tried any RL26 yet, none to be found) will be between 2900 and 3000 fps. As per Ken Waters Pet Loads books and Hornady manuals. In my own rifles (and the rifles of a few friends in this cartridge I load for), I see between 2900 and 2950 fps in the 7 Rem Mags with the same bullets. But my rifles in 7x61 are a few fps (under 30) slower. The 168 gr 7mm is really a target bullet. I use it in a couple 7mm-08's and 7mm-08 AI's I shoot, but not on game. I'm sure it would be fine on deer sized game, but I prefer a bullet designed for that purpose. Also, most 7x61 rifles I have seen have slower twists, mine are/were 1-10 and 1-12. - dan
You might also consider the 7 LRM. Seems to hit all your desires as well. - dan
Most 7 REM Mag brass will hold 82- 84 grs . RJ
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