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7mm rem mag vs 30-06
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Potato boy
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It's not only about trajectory and energy, the 06 will lose terminal expansion with most projectiles at 400-450 yards, you can get about an extra 100yards of range with a magnum, sometimes 200 yards. The low level of expansion on most projectiles is 1800 fps, after that it acts as a solid. If shooting beyond 400 is important to you, a magnum makes sense
180gr Federal Fusion @ 2700 fps
+/- 4" Maximum Point Blank Range = 306 yards (260y zero)
400 yard drop = 17.0" (2062 fps / 1700 ft lbs energy)
500 yard drop = 38.8" (1918 fps / 1470 ft lbs)
600 yard drop = 70.1" (1780 fps / 1266 ft lbs)
By your metric of 1800fps, a 180gr fusion from the - 06 should be good out to 600yds. So I don't think expansion becomes an issue at 400yds where velocity is still north of 2000fps.
BigUglyMan
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When I was much younger I dropped a bull caribou at a bit over 400 yards using a 30-06 with 180gr Partitions which broke both shoulders. Not a very ###y combination and in that situation with a quick shot being required would I have been better served with a 7mm with a slipperier bullet? Maybe. But the fact remains that likely 98% of game shot in North America is shot at under that range so whether or not a couple inches less wind drift or drop would matter is purely for the amusement of argument.
That said, I have both a 30-06 (three, I guess) and a fast 7 (Mr W's 7 mag) so I suppose that I've properly hedged my bets!
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If shooting game is at long range is important to you, shot placement is more important than how much powder the case holds, within reason. I could kill a deer with a knitting needle by stabbing it through the heart. Most knitting needles are around 30 caliber. So by extension, a bullet that does not expand but has sufficient velocity to penetrate the vitals will be lethal. If this wasn't true here would be a hell of a lot more Germen and Japanese men kicking around in their 90s.
less drop if you use a lighter bullet. Otherwise not so much.
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Of the 2 for heavy game my choice is the 30-06 because it's a wider bullet having 18% more cross-sectional area and bullet weights up to 240gr are available.
More of a stunt since I prefer heavier calibers, and only because I like the rifle, it's on the roster for one of the rifles I will carry for the upcoming season to see if it actually performs within its effective range which in my mind is up close with precise shot placement. Ballistics don't look too dismal out to 50 yards.
So as not to void the warranty on my new Sako Bavarian Carbine I'm going to first see if the 220gr factory loads will shoot with acceptable accuracy and if so give these a try on Moose. Or as an alternate, if my rifle will stabilize these, develop a load using the 240gr Woodleigh's. A muzzle speed of 2300 fps should be safely achievable from its 20" barrel.
More of a stunt since I prefer heavier calibers, and only because I like the rifle, it's on the roster for one of the rifles I will carry for the upcoming season to see if it actually performs within its effective range which in my mind is up close with precise shot placement. Ballistics don't look too dismal out to 50 yards.
So as not to void the warranty on my new Sako Bavarian Carbine I'm going to first see if the 220gr factory loads will shoot with acceptable accuracy and if so give these a try on Moose. Or as an alternate, if my rifle will stabilize these, develop a load using the 240gr Woodleigh's. A muzzle speed of 2300 fps should be safely achievable from its 20" barrel.
Nope. A 175gr 7mm partition can be driven to 3000fps, whereas a 180gr 3006 pill is only going 2800. The 7mm has a higher BC, so not only does it start faster, it will remain faster across all ranges. Therefore it'll drop less, and the higher BC will mean less wind drift too.
As pointed out before, the light bullets (150gr and less) actually loose out to the heavier options at 400+yds due to the fact they shed velocity faster - at 400yds a 160 accubond is going faster than a 140 tsx that starts 150fps faster.
For most hunting, inside 1/4 mile, the 30-06 is very suitable. The 7mm Rem Mag with a barrel of suitable twist (1:8) for the newer offerings of long range bullets, really takes the 7mm to a different level of ballistics. The 195gr Berger @ 2800 fps (same speed as 180gr 30-06) carries 1500 ft lbs of energy to 950 yards. SR hunting, LR hunting or target shooting - the 7mm shines
Those 240 grain woodleighs look pretty goofy. I am very curious about how they perform on game though. I exchanged some emails with the guys from woodleigh a while back and apparently they were designed for one rifle hunters to take down water buffalo.
The 7mm having what 100-200 fps more velocity on average give or take is not a big deal apparently but for some cartridge debates 100-200 fps is a hill to die on. Got to love CGN.
I always liked my 7mm, kick myself for letting it go sometimes, just feels right in a long barreled scoped rifle to me, style counts.
The 7mm having what 100-200 fps more velocity on average give or take is not a big deal apparently but for some cartridge debates 100-200 fps is a hill to die on. Got to love CGN.
I always liked my 7mm, kick myself for letting it go sometimes, just feels right in a long barreled scoped rifle to me, style counts.
The alternative would be every thread like this makes it 3 replies, all of which would say the only thing that really matters is you put the right bullet in the right place... This way is much more entertaining...
Those 240gr pills are pretty ridiculous looking. I'd love to see a side-by-side between a new one vs a recovered bullet.... Conor, do you know if the one rifle woodleigh designed the bullet around was the 3006 or the 300win mag?
I honestly can't remember if we broached that, but I do know it was suggested that the 240 and some solids could be used in the '06 for water buffalo, so I think they're perfectly fine at lower velocities.
I always thought a 220 grain rn in the 06 looked kind of ###y, maybe the 240 is too curvy for me, big girls need love too though.
My conversation with them was about using heavy .312 bullets in the 7.62x54r, and if their 300 grain .338's were intended for the .338 wm or 340 wby. They did suggest that the 300's were designed for buffalo in the 338 wm but could be used in the .338/06. I think their bullets, generally speaking, expand very well across a wide range of velocities even the heavies. They also seem to shoot very well in all the rifles I have tried them in.
As a fan (for no good reason I'll be honest) of heavier round nose bullets I like their line up. I've only shot a handful of big game animals in my short career as a hunter so who knows how that opinion will change in time.
In my experience if you email woodleigh they are happy to basically shoot the #### with you about their lineup and suggest loads for stuff they don't have published if that's what you need. They also extensively test their bullets on real game it seems judging by their responses.
Hey we can also argue about what is "the right place", right Slamfire?
I always thought a 220 grain rn in the 06 looked kind of ###y, maybe the 240 is too curvy for me, big girls need love too though.
My conversation with them was about using heavy .312 bullets in the 7.62x54r, and if their 300 grain .338's were intended for the .338 wm or 340 wby. They did suggest that the 300's were designed for buffalo in the 338 wm but could be used in the .338/06. I think their bullets, generally speaking, expand very well across a wide range of velocities even the heavies. They also seem to shoot very well in all the rifles I have tried them in.
As a fan (for no good reason I'll be honest) of heavier round nose bullets I like their line up. I've only shot a handful of big game animals in my short career as a hunter so who knows how that opinion will change in time.
In my experience if you email woodleigh they are happy to basically shoot the #### with you about their lineup and suggest loads for stuff they don't have published if that's what you need. They also extensively test their bullets on real game it seems judging by their responses.
Hey we can also argue about what is "the right place", right Slamfire?
I am a big fan of the 7mm RM. I also love the 6.5 RM and the too-sebunty.
Right now the 16ogr AB and RL25 are doing a great job and have kept the freezer full this year.
The old '06 is a great rig. I'd recommend it to anyone, anytime. I think the 150gr TTSX is a good around piece for the rig.
I shot an '06 loaded with 165gr AB loaded to 2860fps avg this year for a friend. Kept a pretty decent .75" avg for three rounds at 100yds. Sighted it in 2" high at that range.
My 160s in the 7mm RM move at a bit over 3000fps. Very accurate keeping closer to .5" if I do my part and definitely a sub MOA gun (thanks Rembo).
At 550m the average drop for the 7 vs 06 was a foot better for the former. And wind drift was more than that.
Out to 300m it really didnt matter and both would kill the same well enough.
Right now the 16ogr AB and RL25 are doing a great job and have kept the freezer full this year.
The old '06 is a great rig. I'd recommend it to anyone, anytime. I think the 150gr TTSX is a good around piece for the rig.
I shot an '06 loaded with 165gr AB loaded to 2860fps avg this year for a friend. Kept a pretty decent .75" avg for three rounds at 100yds. Sighted it in 2" high at that range.
My 160s in the 7mm RM move at a bit over 3000fps. Very accurate keeping closer to .5" if I do my part and definitely a sub MOA gun (thanks Rembo).
At 550m the average drop for the 7 vs 06 was a foot better for the former. And wind drift was more than that.
Out to 300m it really didnt matter and both would kill the same well enough.
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Information on the 30 caliber 240gr Woodleigh: developed to commemorate the 100th anniversary of the 30-06 in 2006. Quite capable of taking Buffalo as is their 220gr FMJ they claim, and the 240gr is very effective on Camel.
I've loaded the 240gr in my 300 WM Sako Grey Wolf at about 2500 fps MV. Recommended twist rate for the 240gr is 1:10. The 300 WM and 30-06 Sako rifles have 1:11 twists. 5 shots at 100 meters off the bench with my 300 WM grouped about 2", not too bad. Barrel heat probably had an effect on widening the group.
The 240gr at 2300 fps MV from my 30-06 should be adequate to bust shoulder bone/sever spinal chord on Moose broadside at ranges of up to 75 feet.
I've loaded the 240gr in my 300 WM Sako Grey Wolf at about 2500 fps MV. Recommended twist rate for the 240gr is 1:10. The 300 WM and 30-06 Sako rifles have 1:11 twists. 5 shots at 100 meters off the bench with my 300 WM grouped about 2", not too bad. Barrel heat probably had an effect on widening the group.
The 240gr at 2300 fps MV from my 30-06 should be adequate to bust shoulder bone/sever spinal chord on Moose broadside at ranges of up to 75 feet.
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I shoot the 240 PP's in my Ruger no1 300wm, mild load of H1000 pushes them at 2525 fps. Could crank them up to almost 2800 fps but I see no reason to, it's just a load I slide in the chamber when hunting elk in the timber. Haven't had the opportunity to fire one at game yet
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In my mind the 30-06 is the most popular caliber in N-A.
I choosed the 7mm Rem Mag for few reason,
-I like to shoot 1K.
-For me the 7mm is the most powerful caliber I can shoot, comfortably.
- I like the cartridge, I think shes ###y.
- personal choice, I had a 30-06, Winchester 70, and loved it.
just a ,matter of personal choice, and this one is mine....
I had some 300 and 338 in my life, didnt enjoyed the concusion anymore and the cost of ammo.
I choosed the 7mm Rem Mag for few reason,
-I like to shoot 1K.
-For me the 7mm is the most powerful caliber I can shoot, comfortably.
- I like the cartridge, I think shes ###y.
- personal choice, I had a 30-06, Winchester 70, and loved it.
just a ,matter of personal choice, and this one is mine....
I had some 300 and 338 in my life, didnt enjoyed the concusion anymore and the cost of ammo.
