7mm08 significantly different from .308/.270 ???
- Thread starter vpsalin
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I've never hunted with any of these calibers (altho I will be picking up a .308 for deer next season, not sure exactly which rifle yet), so I can't speak from any personal experience. In researching my purchase, however, I did a lot of reading. I you can wade through very detailed articles, the people at Terminal Ballistics Research in New Zealand have collected a fantastic amount of data and experience with a wide range of calibers. They have studied them in detail, including large numbers of game autopsies, and generously share their info. The articles on these three calibers are:
.270 Winchester
.308 Winchester
7mm-08 Remington
pointandshoot
CGN Regular
- Location
- richmond, bc
there isn't anything wrong with having 2 of the same calibre...but how hard would it to be a box of both ammo with you on a hunting trip? as long as you are accurate with both guns i don't see it as a burden packing 20 more rounds...just sayin
- Location
- Prince Albert, Sk
Take those articles are wipe your bum-bum with them. 
Talk to the guys here who have actually hunted with these chamberings.Base your decision on the guys that can give you first hand knowledge and results.Also who have hunted in this country with them.
The 140 grain 7mm Partition is much like the Accubond, both produce a wide wound regardless of the focus towards optimum controlled expansion within each design. Again, a low SD as a result of the 140 grain 7mm bullet weight dictates that for best performance, the Partition and Accubond do their best work on game weighing up to 80kg (180lb). Both bullets are adequate for game up to 150kg (330lb) but this weight should be considered a maximum.
That right there shows you what they know.
Talk to the guys here who have actually hunted with these chamberings.Base your decision on the guys that can give you first hand knowledge and results.Also who have hunted in this country with them.
The 140 grain 7mm Partition is much like the Accubond, both produce a wide wound regardless of the focus towards optimum controlled expansion within each design. Again, a low SD as a result of the 140 grain 7mm bullet weight dictates that for best performance, the Partition and Accubond do their best work on game weighing up to 80kg (180lb). Both bullets are adequate for game up to 150kg (330lb) but this weight should be considered a maximum.
That right there shows you what they know.
- Location
- Ft. Mac. Alberta
I've hunted and killed animals with all the cartridges listed and in different actions as well.
If it were me and i was looking for a true back up rifle I would get one the very same as the one you already have , and make sure the POI of the ammo is close to the same in both rifles.
However, I don't really need a back up as I have several different rifles and normally don't hunt more than a day away from home.
When I do I simply take another rifle with me with no real worries about it failing.
Cat
If it were me and i was looking for a true back up rifle I would get one the very same as the one you already have , and make sure the POI of the ammo is close to the same in both rifles.
However, I don't really need a back up as I have several different rifles and normally don't hunt more than a day away from home.
When I do I simply take another rifle with me with no real worries about it failing.
Cat
shortaction
CGN Regular
- Location
- Manitoulin Island, Ontario
Have had a few of each. Shot a few deer with the 7mm-08, shot a couple with with the 270win and none with 308win, but have seen lots shot with it. I now only have 2 rifles in the 7mm-08 and none in either the 270win or 308win. The 7mm-08 is softer shooting than the other 2 and all 3 kill equally well. There are ample ammo choices for all three and all three are chambered in a wide variety of firearms. So for me I choose the one with the least recoil and it happens to be a short action round to boot! Win, win in my books.
You've got a .308 and want a back-up? That should be a .308. That would make it a back-up. And if you want another rifle, then have at 'er and get one, everyone should be able to buy what they want, just make sure the reasons are valid (and, even, "just because" is valid in my book).
If you want another rifle chambered differently, then it won't be a back-up, it will be another rifle. Since "one is none and two is one".
Me, I'd buy another .308 since I'd already have brass, dies, powder... No different if all I owned was a .30-06. Get another '06. See where I am going here? I would even buy the SAME rifle (as stated in a different config, but same action) for interchangeable parts if needed.
If you want another rifle chambered differently, then it won't be a back-up, it will be another rifle. Since "one is none and two is one".
Me, I'd buy another .308 since I'd already have brass, dies, powder... No different if all I owned was a .30-06. Get another '06. See where I am going here? I would even buy the SAME rifle (as stated in a different config, but same action) for interchangeable parts if needed.
BrotherRockeye
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Rural Saskatchewan
I'm fresh out of .270's (a long time favorite) and .308's, but still have a 7-08 hanging around...case my nuts shrivel up and I can't shoulder a boomer no more!
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Take those articles are wipe your bum-bum with them.
Talk to the guys here who have actually hunted with these chamberings.Base your decision on the guys that can give you first hand knowledge and results.Also who have hunted in this country with them.
The 140 grain 7mm Partition is much like the Accubond, both produce a wide wound regardless of the focus towards optimum controlled expansion within each design. Again, a low SD as a result of the 140 grain 7mm bullet weight dictates that for best performance, the Partition and Accubond do their best work on game weighing up to 80kg (180lb). Both bullets are adequate for game up to 150kg (330lb) but this weight should be considered a maximum.
That right there shows you what they know.
Nathan Foster has killed well over 7000 animals. I wouldn't too quick to completely discount his observations.
Some is good, more is better, too much is just enough.... having said that my next build will be a 375 / 08 on a Rem Ti...
Take those articles are wipe your bum-bum with them.
Talk to the guys here who have actually hunted with these chamberings.Base your decision on the guys that can give you first hand knowledge and results.Also who have hunted in this country with them.
The 140 grain 7mm Partition is much like the Accubond, both produce a wide wound regardless of the focus towards optimum controlled expansion within each design. Again, a low SD as a result of the 140 grain 7mm bullet weight dictates that for best performance, the Partition and Accubond do their best work on game weighing up to 80kg (180lb). Both bullets are adequate for game up to 150kg (330lb) but this weight should be considered a maximum.
That right there shows you what they know.
I will second that summation. I have killed or seen killed literally tons of big game: moose, bear, and our mountain caribou bulls (which are the size of mature elk), with both 130 gr Partitions in the 270 and 140 gr in the 7X57 and 280 Rem.
Ted
Northman999
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Southern Yukon
On the first issue, the backup to a .308 should be another .308. I've killed lots of things with .308 and .270, and nether me nor the animal ever really had much to say about one over the other.
About the articles...I just read several in the last week actually. I thought they were fairly good overall in their reviews of bullets (in comparison to each other), but totally understated the effectiveness of almost every cartridge there in terms of what they could kill. As a guy who's perfectly confident shooting a massive Yukon/Alaska moose with a 130 grain cup and core bullet from a .270 (for example), I find the game reccomendations for 130 grain, 270 bullets (for example) in the articles to be basically a joke. Here are two examples.
"For lighter medium game, the Speer 130 grain Hotcor exhibits a vast amount of shock and wound trauma. Penetration on light game is good but on game weighing 80kg (180lb) and heavier, full cross body penetration can not be expected. This bullet is best suited to lighter game at ranges less than 275 yards. At ranges beyond 275 yards, the Hotcor is affected by wind and sheds a lot of velocity with a resulting loss in wounding. This bullet often gives extremely good accuracy in rifles with finicky bores."
"The 130 grain Partition was, as mentioned, a favorite of Jack O’Connor’s. Although O’Connor used this bullet on all game, the 130 grain bullet is better suited to lighter animals and on game weighing less than 80kg, the 130 grain Partition really shines. The Partition is always at its best when correctly matched to the job at hand. The 130 grain projectile has a low SD and simply cannot be expected to give the same deep penetration that the 150 grain Partition is capable of."
.277 dia, 130 grain Partition at 3100+ fps...best suited for game less than 80 kg??? Seriously? Guess lots of us have been doing this all wrong. Maybe I need to load up some 300 grain TSX's to 2950 in my .375 RUM next time I need to kill a moose....
About the articles...I just read several in the last week actually. I thought they were fairly good overall in their reviews of bullets (in comparison to each other), but totally understated the effectiveness of almost every cartridge there in terms of what they could kill. As a guy who's perfectly confident shooting a massive Yukon/Alaska moose with a 130 grain cup and core bullet from a .270 (for example), I find the game reccomendations for 130 grain, 270 bullets (for example) in the articles to be basically a joke. Here are two examples.
"For lighter medium game, the Speer 130 grain Hotcor exhibits a vast amount of shock and wound trauma. Penetration on light game is good but on game weighing 80kg (180lb) and heavier, full cross body penetration can not be expected. This bullet is best suited to lighter game at ranges less than 275 yards. At ranges beyond 275 yards, the Hotcor is affected by wind and sheds a lot of velocity with a resulting loss in wounding. This bullet often gives extremely good accuracy in rifles with finicky bores."
"The 130 grain Partition was, as mentioned, a favorite of Jack O’Connor’s. Although O’Connor used this bullet on all game, the 130 grain bullet is better suited to lighter animals and on game weighing less than 80kg, the 130 grain Partition really shines. The Partition is always at its best when correctly matched to the job at hand. The 130 grain projectile has a low SD and simply cannot be expected to give the same deep penetration that the 150 grain Partition is capable of."
.277 dia, 130 grain Partition at 3100+ fps...best suited for game less than 80 kg??? Seriously? Guess lots of us have been doing this all wrong. Maybe I need to load up some 300 grain TSX's to 2950 in my .375 RUM next time I need to kill a moose....
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
The .375 Winchester works great for me, but the 7mm-08 is a great cartridge none the less.
Everyone's got their favorites.
Too true mate, Ive shot Sambar deer, the biggest I have ever seen, 31 inch antlers, a record book rack for Australia.... with a Winchester 130gr SP Cup and Core Factory loaded and shot out of a Remington to boot!!!! I was astounded when the Animal simply dropped off its feet.
Due to all the Hype an magazine/online publishings regarding how poor of a choice this rifle an ammo combo was I put 2 more shots into the Animal to make sure it did not come alive an run off!!!!
In my defence, normally on the big game deer I would of used Nosler Accubond CT 140gr Winchester loadings, which has worked great in the past on Large "Elk/Caribou" sized Deer (aka sambar).
Too much emphasis on projectiles going right through an 'appearing' to do more damage to an animal, when really Them Cup an Cores that penetrated the Hide an continued to ruin the VITALS of the critter an came to rest somewhere in there... did its job very well.
On another note my 150grain Corelokts out of the WSM shot a bull Sambar at 50ms an did no exit.. but it died within 5 steps.
"dudes be trippin"
WL
Due to all the Hype an magazine/online publishings regarding how poor of a choice this rifle an ammo combo was I put 2 more shots into the Animal to make sure it did not come alive an run off!!!!
In my defence, normally on the big game deer I would of used Nosler Accubond CT 140gr Winchester loadings, which has worked great in the past on Large "Elk/Caribou" sized Deer (aka sambar).
Too much emphasis on projectiles going right through an 'appearing' to do more damage to an animal, when really Them Cup an Cores that penetrated the Hide an continued to ruin the VITALS of the critter an came to rest somewhere in there... did its job very well.
On another note my 150grain Corelokts out of the WSM shot a bull Sambar at 50ms an did no exit.. but it died within 5 steps.
"dudes be trippin"
WL
The .375 Winchester works great for me, but the 7mm-08 is a great cartridge none the less.
Everyone's got their favorites.
Maaaate, not many of us out there toting these lovely .375 Winchesters..... please tell me more!
what are you shootin with it an what are u shootin out of it... PM me if it helps to keep this thread inline.
I really wonder how many people have actually worn out a barrel on a hunting rifle. Depending on the load, I am comfortable saying that a .270 should have a serviceable life of over 2500 rounds. At 100 rounds per year that would give you 25 years of service. There are two things to think about. I doubt the average hunter goes through 100 rounds per year on each big game rifle and I doubt the average hunter keeps a rifle for 25 years.
Another opinion - a 130gr Partition will do perfectly on all deer, and a 150gr Partition would be excellent as an elk, moose or whatever load.
I would not hesitate to shoot any big game animal in North America with a .270 and 150gr Partition.
Another opinion - a 130gr Partition will do perfectly on all deer, and a 150gr Partition would be excellent as an elk, moose or whatever load.
I would not hesitate to shoot any big game animal in North America with a .270 and 150gr Partition.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
If you choose your .270 wisely, you might well find that its your .308 that's the back up rifle. I was brought up to view the .270 with disdain, believing quite properly that the sun rose and set on the .30/06; never mind the experiences of O'Connor, Whelen, Page, Ackley, Jobson, or Sarber. But then a couple of things transpired to give me a change of heart. First, I met Crazy Davey who told me stories about his dad who carried a .270 as his primary rifle when guiding in grizzly country. Secondly, I acquired a .270 built on a 98 Mauser, with a stock of unknown origins that just fit me right. Eventually I sold it to a fellow who was gunless at the time; a condition I attempt to rectify whenever possible, but the unappreciative oaf refuses to sell it back to me!! But I'll tell ya, shooting that .270 was like turning on a light switch . . . "Ahh, now I get it." While the .30/06 remains my favorite, I no longer look down my nose at the .270. In fact when I began looking for a rifle for my son, intending it to be an '06, instead I found a .270, a south paw Ruger Hawkeye in as new condition, with a Leupold 3.5-10X in Burris mounts, at a very attractive price.
