8.5 Grizzly and pistol grip... It will be a blast...

As soon as you change the regular stock

caramel said:
No non restricted if you keep original stock, could not pass on the pistol grip for 10 bucks... Cheers. JP.
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for the pistol grip...it becomes restricted. you have 30days to change its status with the CFC. We all know this, everyone knows this. Why would you presume to have a clue. Do yourself a favour, put some money aside for a lawyer. Smart guys like you always get the opportunity to explain to the judge why you know more about the law than they do.

On the other hand you could do yourself a favour and open a book, read the laws and stop making firearms owners look like idiots...your call
 
Strangeday said:
for the pistol grip...it becomes restricted. you have 30days to change its status with the CFC. We all know this, everyone knows this. Why would you presume to have a clue. Do yourself a favour, put some money aside for a lawyer. Smart guys like you always get the opportunity to explain to the judge why you know more about the law than they do.

On the other hand you could do yourself a favour and open a book, read the laws and stop making firearms owners look like idiots...your call
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Pretty sure he means that if it has the original stock (as in not the pistol grip) it is non restricted which hardly seems idiotic to me.
 
00Buck said:
The pistol grip issue has yet to be tested in court. With the number of these in circulation it is only a matter of time until the crown makes a charge based upon the success they had with the magazine parts case. Since it has worked once before they will be eager to establish a precedent for this as well.

This would work exactly the same way as the magazine issue.

When I asked firearms lawyer Ed Burlew what people should do with the pistol grip he said - to be on the safe side I highly recommend the firearm should be registered as restricted upon purchase.

However, it's a free country (sort of) so do what you like.
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I don't think i agree with you on the pistol grip issue.

lets examine one specific fact.

Currently, Blueline activities sells the BL6-1 shotgun.
Here is the description that can be found on their website:

The BL 6-1 shotgun is equipped with a 6.5\\\" barrel or a 12.5\\\" barrel. It is non- restricted with the Remington standard full stock. If equipped with the Hogue pistol grip it is classified as a restricted. The BL-6 comes as a non- restricted with the standard stock mounted from factory. It also comes with a Hogue pistol grip and a front mounts forend vertical grip for the end user to mount if he or she pleases.
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This pretty much settles it for me. If a dealer can sell a non-restricted shotgun with an extra pistol grip that would make it restricted, without getting charged for intent to possess an unregistered restricted firearm in the process, then i'm pretty much 100% sure i'd be good to go to posess the same setup.
 
Strangeday said:
for the pistol grip...it becomes restricted. you have 30days to change its status with the CFC. We all know this, everyone knows this. Why would you presume to have a clue. Do yourself a favour, put some money aside for a lawyer. Smart guys like you always get the opportunity to explain to the judge why you know more about the law than they do.

On the other hand you could do yourself a favour and open a book, read the laws and stop making firearms owners look like idiots...your call
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... if this is correct, and you have 30 days to register it as restricted, then I guess if you just swap it out at the range, or for a period shorter than 30 days, ...then it would not necesitate, being registered as restricted.
makes sense to be, but I would not want to got to court over it.]
 
badboybeeson said:
Thats like saying im going to quickly drive to the beer store after 10 beer, if is do it quickly no one will know. bbb
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Is that you JP? Heh heh...just kidding man...
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Can-down said:
It's possible for sure. Even having a hacksaw to close to your shotgun barrel could be intent to construct a prohib barrel and if you have a fully charged cordless drill, with a loaded drill bit, too close to your riveted mags....:eek:
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OMG... I own a hacksaw and a drill. I have probably committed a thought crime...

But seriously, I'm with Can-down, we should ultra-police ourselves to the point of constant fear and terror to avoid the possibility of an infraction. That gives the right message to the anti-crowd...
 
for the pistol grip...it becomes restricted. you have 30days to change its status with the CFC. We all know this, everyone knows this.
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Reporting the change of classification is a separate issue from the fact that all restricted firearms must be registered on the restricted registry.

So although you have 30 days to report a classification change you are instantly in possession of an "unregistered restricted firearm."

Ed told me this while I was sitting in his office doing a podcast interview with him. I'd bet my bottom dollar that he's correct. In other words if it's registered as non-restricted don't put the pistol grip on it.

lets examine one specific fact.

Currently, Blueline activities sells the BL6-1 shotgun.
Here is the description that can be found on their website:

Quote:
The BL 6-1 shotgun is equipped with a 6.5\\\" barrel or a 12.5\\\" barrel. It is non- restricted with the Remington standard full stock. If equipped with the Hogue pistol grip it is classified as a restricted. The BL-6 comes as a non- restricted with the standard stock mounted from factory. It also comes with a Hogue pistol grip and a front mounts forend vertical grip for the end user to mount if he or she pleases.
This pretty much settles it for me. If a dealer can sell a non-restricted shotgun with an extra pistol grip that would make it restricted, without getting charged for intent to possess an unregistered restricted firearm in the process, then i'm pretty much 100% sure i'd be good to go to posess the same setup.
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Yeah, you could also buy a T-97 rifle too. Then suddenly they changed their minds and declared them all prohibited. Same with the High Standard 10-B shotgun. There's also the Walther that they're sending out letters about right now.

Just because the retailer says so means nothing. The retailer is not the RCMP. They seem to like to change their minds about things quite often. Depending on the outcome of the unpinned magazine case the RCMP may decide to change their minds about a lot of things.
 
00Buck said:
Reporting the change of classification is a separate issue from the fact that all restricted firearms must be registered on the restricted registry.

So although you have 30 days to report a classification change you are instantly in possession of an "unregistered restricted firearm."

Ed told me this while I was sitting in his office doing a podcast interview with him. I'd bet my bottom dollar that he's correct. In other words if it's registered as non-restricted don't put the pistol grip on it.



Yeah, you could also buy a T-97 rifle too. Then suddenly they changed their minds and declared them all prohibited. Same with the High Standard 10-B shotgun. There's also the Walther that they're sending out letters about right now.

Just because the retailer says so means nothing. The retailer is not the RCMP. They seem to like to change their minds about things quite often. Depending on the outcome of the unpinned magazine case the RCMP may decide to change their minds about a lot of things.
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For me the bottom line is quite simple :

a pistol grip is not restricted in any way.

A non-restricted shotgun is....non-restricted. As already mentionned by other posters, its not because i have a hacksaw that I intend on cutting the barrel of the shotgun to make it restricted. And even if i did, its not illegal to intend that.

So i'm unsure of what your point is, and what kind of case they could bring against you...

Officer : "judge, we found this pistol grip that could make this firearm restricted if it was installed"
Judge : "was it installed?"
Officer : "no"
Judge : "So whats your case here? that he might at some point be in the posession of something restricted, in which case he would have 30 days to notify the CFC?"
Officer : "well hmm, yes"
Judge : "And of what crime should i be convicting him of? Intent to do something legal?"

I mean come on.
 
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I'm getting an 8.5" box mag fed in spring and I'll be putting a pistol grip on it, no stock, then I'll get it reregistered as restricted.

I have other shotguns I'm keeping non restricted and I already have ARs and pistols, so I really don't mind. I want a box mag fed 12ga pistol, if it's restricted, so be it.
 
sewktbk said:
So i'm unsure of what your point is, and what kind of case they could bring against you...

Officer : "judge, we found this unpinned magazine part that could make this magazine prohibited if it was installed"
Judge : "was it installed?"
Officer : "no"
Judge : "So whats your case here? that he might at some point be in the posession of something prohibited?"
Officer : "well hmm, yes"
Judge : "And of what crime should i be convicting him of? Intent to do something legal?"
Officer: Yes.
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Fixed it for you.
 
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So what if I own a short barreled shotgun, and happen to have a pistol grip sitting around that will fit it? So effin what? I own pinned mags, but own several drills. Am I gonna get charged for that? "Intent to produce a prohibited device" maybe?

We sometimes are our own worst enemy..
 
00Buck said:
Fixed it for you.
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you didn't fix anything. Your prohibited magazine example has nothing to do with the restricted shotgun issue.

Restricted shotgun is legal.
Prohibited mag is illegal in any way shape or form.

So the shotgun doesn't even become illegal if you convert it to restricted. The intent of having something restricted can't be a crime, as restricted is legal.
Whats so hard to understand?

Judge : "sir, did you intend to make your non-restricted shotgun into a restricted firearm by installing the pistol grip?"
gun owner : "absolutely!"
Judge : "And how is this illegal?"
gun owner : "I'm not sure myself..."
Judge : "crown, how was this ever close to being an offence? Case dismissed."
 
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sewktbk said:
you didn't fix anything. Your prohibited magazine example has nothing to do with the restricted shotgun issue.

Restricted shotgun is legal.
Prohibited mag is illegal in any way shape or form.

So the shotgun doesn't even become illegal if you convert it to restricted. The intent of having something restricted can't be a crime, as restricted is legal.
Whats so hard to understand?

Judge : "sir, did you intend to make your non-restricted shotgun into a restricted firearm by installing the pistol grip?"
gun owner : "absolutely!"
Judge : "And how is this illegal?"
gun owner : "I'm not sure myself..."
Judge : "crown, how was this ever close to being an offence? Case dismissed."
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No. It has to do with the issue of intent. Magazine parts are just that. Parts. Owning them does not automatically form intent to produce a prohibited item. The court skipped over the whole idea of intent. It's the exact same legal issue as the pistol grip.
 
the_klenzer said:
Won't it become restricted as soon as you pop the pistol grip on and it becomes under 24"? (or 26"? I forget)

Or are you just going to pop the pistol grip on, blast away and then switch back?
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noway123 said:
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... if this is correct, and you have 30 days to register it as restricted, then I guess if you just swap it out at the range, or for a period shorter than 30 days, ...then it would not necesitate, being registered as restricted.
makes sense to be, but I would not want to got to court over it.]
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If a barrel under 470 mm (but over 457 mm) was popped-on and off of a semi-automatic centrefire by a sans-ATT RPAL holder after he/she got to the range :yingyang: , all would be well....:)...but that's a wee bit convoluted !....:D

Being in possession of even a "temporary" restricted without an RPAL might be dicey indeed ....:(
 
Asked the RCMP about that a while ago. Yes you have 30 days to change the status, but you can't take it shooting in it's restricted form. You are in possesion of an unegistered restricted weapon, until the registration goes thru, and it's supposed to be locked up until then.
 
dogzilla said:
Asked the RCMP about that a while ago. Yes you have 30 days to change the status, but you can't take it shooting in it's restricted form. You are in possesion of an unegistered restricted weapon, until the registration goes thru, and it's supposed to be locked up until then.
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If you can get that in writing, that would be great.
 
Its all a matter of thought crime. Just because you can do it, automatically means you can do it. This means we're all thieves, rapists and murderers. Who knew the planet had 7 billion potential criminals on it?
 
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