858 0r sks?
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Sorry for the late reply, I missed your post. I have indeed shot an AK(several) and it is not a superior system. Far too many people live off Hollywood crap "The AK can be thrown in the mud and still work" blah blah blah. The AK is a good rifle, no question there. Compared to the attributes of the 858 it's the slow half brother. No last round hold open, a difficult safety, stamped steel construction, over a pound heavier, long stroke gas system. Yeah, I can see its clearly the winner. As mentioned after your post above. The AK is popular because its cheap to manufacture and was distributed widely by the Russians and now the Chinese.
TDC
Because AK and SKS were designed and made by the polar bear which was one of the two superpowers, and AK made Russia more famous or vise versa. VZ might be better than AK or SKS, but who cares? by the end VZ still shoots 762x39 and tries so hard to look like an AK.
Sorry if you are offended.
Wow, looking like an AK has nothing to do with its ability to perform. Nor does the country of origin. Come back when you have some hard facts to support your claim.
TDC
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I've owned both. I had as many as 5 CZs at one time. All I have now are SKSs
THe CZs were nice,but just did'nt stick with me. They went on the EE along with the Vz 52/57s and Rasheed. The SKSs are just better for me I find.
The best of the AKs were from Finland!
THe CZs were nice,but just did'nt stick with me. They went on the EE along with the Vz 52/57s and Rasheed. The SKSs are just better for me I find.
The best of the AKs were from Finland!
vettefever333
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- Mattawa, Ontario
Both
Have both several times over and wouldn't part with either. Heck, also saves on ammunition storage, both fire same rounds.
Have both several times over and wouldn't part with either. Heck, also saves on ammunition storage, both fire same rounds.
This might shock some of the ppl who know me, but I've had a VZ58S, a VZ858 and a good number of SKS's. I still have a few SKS's and no VZ's any longer.
I'm not into makig my military guns uber-cool with bolt on rails and accessories and a 30-round interchangeable mag firearm limited to 5 rounds is of no great use to me. For IPSC type stuff, I prefer an AR anyhow. Al lthis means I like my SKS's better than the VZ. Odd, but true. I also never found the VZ to shoot any better - not sure of the guys who make this claim??? I've found them on average to be roughly equivalent in the accuracy department. Neither is a sniper rifle though.
I'm not into makig my military guns uber-cool with bolt on rails and accessories and a 30-round interchangeable mag firearm limited to 5 rounds is of no great use to me. For IPSC type stuff, I prefer an AR anyhow. Al lthis means I like my SKS's better than the VZ. Odd, but true. I also never found the VZ to shoot any better - not sure of the guys who make this claim??? I've found them on average to be roughly equivalent in the accuracy department. Neither is a sniper rifle though.
CanuckShooter
CGN frequent flyer
To the OP, now that you have a Tapco'd SKS AND a CZ-858.... which do you prefer and why? Considering that you have an SKS with a super nice, adjustable LOP, pistol grip stock with detachable mags... and having only paid $450ish for the whole setup tax in.
I had started a similar thread about whether or not to buy the VZ... and still leaning towards just going the SKS route, as for me, the CZ still has a few strikes against it which prevent me from diving in.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
I had started a similar thread about whether or not to buy the VZ... and still leaning towards just going the SKS route, as for me, the CZ still has a few strikes against it which prevent me from diving in.
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.
OK, well let me further say that if you intend to have a PG, folding stock and detachable mags - get a VZ. The SKS kitted out this way will always be a compromise, whereas the VZ was designed with these features.
If you, like me, don't care if there's a PG or interchangeable magazines then get an SKS. They shoot equally as well in my experience, the SKS is as well made and it's much less expensive.
If you, like me, don't care if there's a PG or interchangeable magazines then get an SKS. They shoot equally as well in my experience, the SKS is as well made and it's much less expensive.
CanuckShooter
CGN frequent flyer
Claven2
Have you tried the Tapco stock for the SKS? I haven't, but I figured since it is only $118CDN, which gives you a PG, adjustable AR style stock, and option for DM that it would be a worthwhile investment... seeing as it is a non permanent mod.
Have you tried the Tapco stock for the SKS? I haven't, but I figured since it is only $118CDN, which gives you a PG, adjustable AR style stock, and option for DM that it would be a worthwhile investment... seeing as it is a non permanent mod.
I'm thinking of buying an SKS or an 858, but I'm kind of on the fence on which one to buy. I'm leaning towards the SKS, the low price is very tempting, and I have no problem using stripper clips.
In your guys' opinions,what would you pick? Which is more fun to shoot? Would spending the extra couple hundred for the 858 be worth it over an SKS?
In your guys' opinions,what would you pick? Which is more fun to shoot? Would spending the extra couple hundred for the 858 be worth it over an SKS?
You got what You paid for.
Price reflects which rifle is better.
Of course those who are always go as cheap as possible will tell You otherwise.
General rule however is simple.
SKS is fun, reliable rifle, but CZ plays in a different league.
Price reflects which rifle is better.
Of course those who are always go as cheap as possible will tell You otherwise.
General rule however is simple.
SKS is fun, reliable rifle, but CZ plays in a different league.
CanuckShooter
CGN frequent flyer
So true. I mean let's compare the Ruger Mini-14/30 that sell for over $1000 to a Norinco M14. The Ruger is clearly the better rifle, far more accurate, I mean, you can even hit a barn door with it without even trying, and in fact, yes it is more than twice the rifle the M14 is.
Which would also mean that the CZ is "better" than the M14 as well, just like the Rugers. I am curious, just for argument's sake.... what makes the CZ better than the M14. Since it does cost more, and cost dictates what is "better"...
That's a very subjective opinion. The CZ58 is expensive because the importers keep it expensive. That is the only reason. The same VZ's are only $200 in eastern europe while SKS's are $250 over there!!!
It's more accurate to say the VZ is base on an assault rifle while the SKS is a carbine. They really are apples and oranges.
However, if you like customization and IPSC shooting, yes, the VZ is likely the best choice. If you like comfortable shooting and a gun with collect-ability, the military SKS is the clear winner IMHO.
Both guns are made of machined steel billet. Both would be VERY expensive to manufacture new today.
And by the way... liking the SKS has NOTHING to do with being a cheap-ass as you infer. I love SKS's and have many guns worth several thousands
I am not alone, either.No, I haven't and it is reversible. I just think that it makes more sense to buy a gun designed to have the features you want rather than modifying another completely different gun into something that's already available retail???
