9.3 bullet test started. pics posted in #1

Bob,

there is no good or bad bullets in 9.3x57,74r or 62 but in the test done some didn't like the water.

look the disclaimer i wrote at the beginning on the first post:
- Disclaimer: I know milk jug and water do not give identical result to flesh and bones, blah, blah, blah.... (stolen and adapted from BCsteve)

there is no need for trying to balance things: this is what has been observed in those tests.

in the same time i spoke with a lot of people that used the hornady 286 in 9.3 and they met also the same kind of results so my conclusion so far is that there is enough good bullets on the market to use that hornady for plinking, if you do differently, great and if your results are better than what was found that is even better because the test is not scientific in the method nor in the numbers .... by the way that hornady bullet is used by the factory remington in 286 grains.
my estimated speed was more 2250fps at the muzzle so far from the 2360fps you mentioned.

now on the brass i will say that again i do not know the story from the manager from a store: i was buying and importing hornady stuff in Canada from usa and we never had for origin of the 9.3x62 brass czech republic and again the size of hornady will be CIP if that was the case, obviously mine in three different packs were more 30-06 like the remington brass from 9.3x62 and in my rifle so specifically to my rifle they were not enough good to get the primers hit on 2 of three times .... were the norma, prvi and lapua didnt need any adjustment.

i kept them because i didnt want another user meeting the same issues and Ted had a good recipe to fix that issue: we will see very soon how the work has fixed the problem.

now tonight i will reload more new bullets and some other hornady just for you ...

enjoy the day.

Phil
 
just a point very important on SAAMI and CIP. the CIP is for the members the law not like SAAMI recommendation and as Czech Republic is a full member of the CIP they wont release a brass that is not meeting the CIP standard.

in that case a brass that is more likely a 30-06 expanded to 9.3x62 instead of a real 9.3x62 brass that has different dimensions.
 
medvedqc said:
just a point very important on SAAMI and CIP. the CIP is for the members the law not like SAAMI recommendation and as Czech Republic is a full member of the CIP they wont release a brass that is not meeting the CIP standard.

in that case a brass that is more likely a 30-06 expanded to 9.3x62 instead of a real 9.3x62 brass that has different dimensions.
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A Question: What is the weight in grains of water that the other brands of brass can hold? Correspondents with me have "complained" that their brass (Norma, Lapua) did not hold 77grs water, yet that is the standard for the 9.3 X 62 as quoted by Hornady to me. So, it's not reformed .30-06 brass. By the way, I've known that the 286 Remington bullet was made by Hornady for at least 5 years. I was also told that at EPPS long before it was mentioned here. Likely, I was the one who revealed that here several years ago.

Another question: If the Hornady brass you use is under spec, how come mine holds more water to the neck than those that are supposedly meeting CIP specs? Likely it's due to different lots -- my lot number is #4100239, what's yours. I bought 100 new cases at EPPS for a .35 Whelen in a single-shot H&R. Not one of them would fire because the shoulder was too far back and they wouldn't headspace correctly, so I understand that can happen. It fired in using old brass that had been used in another rifle. I had it checked by my gun smith and the chamber was right on. So rather than fool around with fireforming 100 new brass cases, I returned the rifle for full credit on another. The headstamp on that brass was R&P, but who knows for sure who made them!

BTW, who makes the Redfield Revolution scope? !00% "made" in America is the claim! Really? I wonder who made those lenses though? I'd be very surprised if they were made "in America"!

And did you get a custom's declaration with your 9.3 X 62 , or did Customs Canada offer it to you? Did you even see it? How many boxes? Was it in the name of a company that must import so much at a time to meet USA export permits? Are you a licensed importer for material related to firearms?, etc.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca
 
I've been accumulating a variety of different headstamps in 9.3x62, so decided to check the case capacity of a few. Lapua, RWS and S&B were all remarkably consistent at 76grs. of water to the neck. I haven't had a chance to do Norma or factory Remington yet.
 
Bob,

it is becoming a little personal don t you think?

on the customs side we had a license to import US stuffs. i was not the one going to local CBSA office as we had one lady dealing with but it was legal trust me. im no more doing it so it was what we can say past. we were importing also all the remington line will it be rifles or ammunition or reloading components. i was of course checking the slip why wont you trust me?

the lots involved so far 411087 and 4141079 and anthony from Tradeex offered the cash but the rifle is not the problem as i can shoot with no issues at all Lapua, Norma and PRVI factory ammo ( they have in common to follow CIP standard) the ones coming from SAAMI are failing reloaded or factory. the ones that Ted expanded coming from 30-06 brass worked perfectly. the ones loaded the same way are reloaded lapua or norma brass are working so there is something. im left hand and this riffle is left handed there is none for now on the market and i think we fixed that issue working on all the brass ... if my rifle fails the next test that will be someting else but so far not taking a chance on grizzly hunt .... and again the local gunsmith checked the go no go ...

i know that actual redfield revolution are assembled in USA not made in the USA .... but i do not see again how come that a czech republic product made under CIP will sell another one for the us market?

did you check the dimensions of your hornady brass?

i have no dog in the fight and you seem to have and protecting Hornady sorry if within my test the bullet failed as the brass but this what we encounter nothing else.

maybe Remington is making the brass for hornady.

on the bullet from hornady on the factory remington i do not try to make a winning competition but i did also a public thread not 5 years ago for sure.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...gton-core-lokt-are-in-fact-Hornady-9-3-bullet

on another note that will be great if you can start a thread for defending hornady but please do not do it here as the thread is about bullet test.

Phil
 
bigborefan said:
A Question: What is the weight in grains of water that the other brands of brass can hold? Correspondents with me have "complained" that their brass (Norma, Lapua) did not hold 77grs water, yet that is the standard for the 9.3 X 62 as quoted by Hornady to me. So, it's not reformed .30-06 brass. By the way, I've known that the 286 Remington bullet was made by Hornady for at least 5 years. I was also told that at EPPS long before it was mentioned here. Likely, I was the one who revealed that here several years ago.

Another question: If the Hornady brass you use is under spec, how come mine holds more water to the neck than those that are supposedly meeting CIP specs? Likely it's due to different lots -- my lot number is #4100239, what's yours. I bought 100 new cases at EPPS for a .35 Whelen in a single-shot H&R. Not one of them would fire because the shoulder was too far back and they wouldn't headspace correctly, so I understand that can happen. It fired in using old brass that had been used in another rifle. I had it checked by my gun smith and the chamber was right on. So rather than fool around with fireforming 100 new brass cases, I returned the rifle for full credit on another. The headstamp on that brass was R&P, but who knows for sure who made them!

BTW, who makes the Redfield Revolution scope? !00% "made" in America is the claim! Really? I wonder who made those lenses though? I'd be very surprised if they were made "in America"!

And did you get a custom's declaration with your 9.3 X 62 , or did Customs Canada offer it to you? Did you even see it? How many boxes? Was it in the name of a company that must import so much at a time to meet USA export permits? Are you a licensed importer for material related to firearms?, etc.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca
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How'd you get to be so great?
 
You guys are too nice...... I had a few too many pops last night and my first instinct was to type "STFU".......

So I put the tablet down, brushed my teeth and went to bed..... lol
 
medvedqc

are you guys just firing into gallon sized milk jugs ?
is any other type of medium being used to stop the bullet ?
what about distances ?

has any testing been done on the nosler accubond yet ?

I've been thinking about taking my rifle on a field trip :D
 
burnt_servo said:
medvedqc

are you guys just firing into gallon sized milk jugs ?
is any other type of medium being used to stop the bullet ?
what about distances ?

has any testing been done on the nosler accubond yet ?

I've been thinking about taking my rifle on a field trip :D
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IIRC the test is at 12 yards into water-filled gallon jugs. Extreme medium to say the least, but it's a level playing field.

The 250 Accubond should be a very good bullet in the x62, but I tend to prefer heavier weights personally. I'm sure that I could talk myself into 270 grainers, but I doubt that I could go lighter. My chi would get all messed up.
 
hello burnt_servo,

yes we are keeping that material.

no intention to use another one as we have like pattern and can see how the bullets behave.

distances maybe but the bullets has to be tested first at the same distance then if time and milk jugs are still around we will try farther.

accubond not tested so far but it s coming and you are not alone asking on it but maybe i wont disclose the 250 grains before i can get some .... lol ...

test is the fun but really time consuming.



i need to fill up a huge amount of milk jugs very soon Ted is back ....

Phil

thanks Bum.

ps: any kind of weight in 9.3 works but some are better ...
 
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