9.3 X 57 loads

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The only loads I can find are for 3031 in "Cartridges of the World". Is there any other data out there?
Norma has data but Norma powders are difficult to find
 
Caliber: 9.3x57 (aka 400-360 Rimless N.E. 2 1/4")
Rifle brand: Husqvarna (x3)
Rifle Model: 146 (x2)
Custom built: No
Barrel length and twist: 24.375" 1:14"
Projectile brand, model and weight: PRVI RNSP 285 gr.
Powder brand and weight: WC735 45.0 gr.
LOAD CONSIDERED HOT OR CLOSE TO MAX: Yes
Primers: WLR (old), Fed 210 & CCI LR
Coal: 3.140"
Ogive length:
Brass: reformed PRVI 8x57
Brass length:
Distance to lands: 0.035"

Results at:

50: 1.291" (average of 5 5 shot groups)
100: 2.833" (average of 12 5 shot groups)
ALL shot with factory open sights

If available:
Velocity (average): 2,097 fps
Outside temperature: +26.5 C
Wind and direction: 5-12 kph, NW / 320 degrees
Barometric pressure and other relevant data: 28" - 33"
 
Caliber: 9.3x57 (aka 400-360 Rimless N.E. 2 1/4")
Rifle brand: Husqvarna (x3)
Rifle Model: 146 (x2)
Custom built: No
Barrel length and twist: 24.375" 1:14"
Projectile brand, model and weight: HARRISON-designed, ACCURATE built BRTORNFPGCTL (Bore-Riding Tangent-Ogive Round Nose Flat Point Gas Check Tumble Lube groove) mould [37-355H] 350 gr.
Powder brand and weight: WC735 41.3 gr.
LOAD CONSIDERED HOT OR CLOSE TO MAX: Yes, in summer temps.
Primers: WLR (old), Fed 210 & CCI LR
Coal: 3.170"
Ogive length:
Brass: reformed PRVI 8x57
Brass length:
Distance to lands:

Results at:

50: 1.346" (average of 8 5 shot groups)
100: 2.833" (average of 2 5 shot groups)
ALL shot with factory open sights

If available:
Velocity (average): 1,927 fps
Outside temperature: +33 C
Wind and direction: 5-12 kph, NW / 320 degrees
Barometric pressure and other relevant data: 28" - 33"
 
Using 280gr bullets and IMR4895:
- 38gr = 1800 fps, sooty neck and shoulder
- 42gr = 1950 fps slight soot on neck
- 47gr = 2170 fps - best accuracy. Not hot but as high as I go in Husqvarna M46 & Swedish M96 action.
-quickload estimates the 47gr load to be just under 40K so it`s very mild.

I load much warmer in the FN98 rifle, quite easy to get past 2400 fps and still be well under 30-06 pressure level. :)
 
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I have loaded for the 9.3X57 for almost 40 years. Tried several different powders, and the most efficient loads for me have been Ball C2 with magnum primers.

It is no trick at all to get well over 2300 fps with 285 gr bullets, longest case life, no loose primer pockets, and good accuracy.

Here's a link to the most experienced 9.3X57 loader I am aware of: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?645-Handloading-the-9-3x57&p=207227#post207227

He has done a lot of load development and experimenting, including loading .375 jacketed bullets that have been sized down to .366 for the '57. He was living in BC when he posted in 2007, and may still be there.

It will take a while to read all his posts, but it will be time very well spent. I would have been well-pleased to have had his information when I started loading for this round in the early 80s.

Ted
 
I have loaded for the 9.3X57 for almost 40 years. Tried several different powders, and the most efficient loads for me have been Ball C2 with magnum primers.

It is no trick at all to get well over 2300 fps with 285 gr bullets, longest case life, no loose primer pockets, and good accuracy.

Here's a link to the most experienced 9.3X57 loader I am aware of: http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?645-Handloading-the-9-3x57&p=207227#post207227

He has done a lot of load development and experimenting, including loading .375 jacketed bullets that have been sized down to .366 for the '57. He was living in BC when he posted in 2007, and may still be there.

It will take a while to read all his posts, but it will be time very well spent. I would have been well-pleased to have had his information when I started loading for this round in the early 80s.

Ted

Thank you for the link - great information
 
One thing I have always done is neck 8X57 brass up to 40, almost straight, and then resize the case a bit until the bolt will just barely close on an the empty resized case. Lock the die at that position and resize all the brass. IIRC, Darryl S does the same.

Had been doing that for several years when resizing 30-06 brass to 9.3X62, and it works equally well to get perfect case fit in every 9.3X57 chamber.

Ted
 
Managed to get the 9.3x57 Model 46 and my ProChrono at the same place and same time.
Results, in case anyone is interested.

String: 1
Date: 2018-09-14
Time: 11:01:06 PM( Download from Chrono)
Grains: 286
Hi Vel: 1904
Low Vel: 1851
Ave Vel: 1883
Ext Spread: 53
Std Dev: 19
9.3x57 285gr prvi, 44gr Varget
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1877 0 0
1875 0 0
1904 0 0
1904 0 0
1877 0 0
1851 0 0
1899 0 0
 
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And from Loaddata.com (Model 46 is a Muser 96 action)

Warning!#Notes:#The rifle used was a Husqvarna Model 46 with a 24 1/4-inch barrel. Norma cases and Winchester WLR primers were used throughout. An Oehler M33 chronograph was set at 10 feet from the muzzle. Group size is an average of three, five-shot groups at 100 yards. (Handloader Issue #283 - April/May, 2013)
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?
232 Norma Oryx Hodgdon H-322 39.5 1967
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 61; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx Hodgdon H-322 42.5 2215
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 33; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-3031 45 2171
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 29; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-3031 47 2314
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 41; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4895 46 2185
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 37; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4895 48 2287
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 49; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4064 46 2143
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 41; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4064 48 2255
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 36; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx Winchester W-748 50 2198
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 14; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx Winchester W-748 54 2314
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 9; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00

250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-3031 41 1976
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 33; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-3031 43 2088
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 29; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-4895 42 1965
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 48; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-4895 44 2073
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 42; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-4064 42 1950
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 38; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-4064 44.5 2112
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 26; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond Winchester W-748 46 2072
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 35; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond Winchester W-748 48.5 2152
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 39; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20

270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-3031 42 2003
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 39; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-3031 44 2090
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 32; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-4895 42 1865
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 26; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-4895 44 2039
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 11; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-4064 42 1841
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 36; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-4064 45 2087
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 38; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor Winchester W-748 47 2036
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 19; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor Winchester W-748 49 2127
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 28; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06

285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-3031 42 1921
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 32; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-3031 43.5 2008
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 24; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-4895 43 1930
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 29; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-4895 44 2017
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 41; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-4064 42 1825
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 33; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-4064 45.5 2071
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 18; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan Winchester W-748 44 1832
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 20; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan Winchester W-748 47.5 2026

Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 28; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-3031 42 1940
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 31; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-3031 43.5 2021
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 16; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4895 42 1835
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 40; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4895 43.5 2019
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 31; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4064 43 1903
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 38; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4064 45 2076
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 27; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx Winchester W-748 45 1908
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 31; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx Winchester W-748 47.5 2038
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 19; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12

286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-3031 42 1945
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 30; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-3031 43.5 2021
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 33; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-4895 42.5 1932
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 26; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-4895 44 2036
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 38; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-4064 42 1901
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 23; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-4064 45.5 2083
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 26; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock Winchester W-748 45.5 1956
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 11; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock Winchester W-748 47 2018
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 31; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
 
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Thank you, this is invaluable....

And from Loaddata.com

Warning!#Notes:#The rifle used was a Husqvarna Model 46 with a 24 1/4-inch barrel. Norma cases and Winchester WLR primers were used throughout. An Oehler M33 chronograph was set at 10 feet from the muzzle. Group size is an average of three, five-shot groups at 100 yards. (Handloader Issue #283 - April/May, 2013)
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?
232 Norma Oryx Hodgdon H-322 39.5 1967
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 61; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx Hodgdon H-322 42.5 2215
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 33; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-3031 45 2171
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 29; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-3031 47 2314
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 41; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4895 46 2185
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 37; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4895 48 2287
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 49; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4064 46 2143
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 41; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4064 48 2255
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 36; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx Winchester W-748 50 2198
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 14; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00
232 Norma Oryx Winchester W-748 54 2314
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 9; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.00

250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-3031 41 1976
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 33; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-3031 43 2088
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 29; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-4895 42 1965
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 48; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-4895 44 2073
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 42; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-4064 42 1950
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 38; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond IMR IMR-4064 44.5 2112
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 26; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond Winchester W-748 46 2072
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 35; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20
250 Nosler AccuBond Winchester W-748 48.5 2152
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 39; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.20

270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-3031 42 2003
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 39; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-3031 44 2090
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 32; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-4895 42 1865
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 26; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-4895 44 2039
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 11; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-4064 42 1841
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 36; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor IMR IMR-4064 45 2087
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 38; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor Winchester W-748 47 2036
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 19; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06
270 Speer Hot-Cor Winchester W-748 49 2127
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 28; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.06

285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-3031 42 1921
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 32; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-3031 43.5 2008
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 24; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-4895 43 1930
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 29; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-4895 44 2017
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 41; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-4064 42 1825
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 33; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan IMR IMR-4064 45.5 2071
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 18; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan Winchester W-748 44 1832
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 20; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Prvi Partizan Winchester W-748 47.5 2026

Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 28; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.07
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-3031 42 1940
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 31; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-3031 43.5 2021
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 16; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4895 42 1835
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 40; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4895 43.5 2019
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 31; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4064 43 1903
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 38; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx IMR IMR-4064 45 2076
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 27; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx Winchester W-748 45 1908
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 31; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12
285 Norma Oryx Winchester W-748 47.5 2038
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 19; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.12

286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-3031 42 1945
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 30; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-3031 43.5 2021
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 33; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-4895 42.5 1932
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 26; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-4895 44 2036
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 38; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-4064 42 1901
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 23; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock IMR IMR-4064 45.5 2083
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 26; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock Winchester W-748 45.5 1956
Remarks:#extreme spread (fps): 11; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
286 Hornady InterLock Winchester W-748 47 2018
Remarks:#maximum load; extreme spread; 31; cartridge OAL (inches): 3.17
 
For those with a Husqvarna model 146, Mauser 98 action

Warning!#Notes:#Test rifle was a Husqvarna Model 146 with 24 3/4-inch barrel. Loads developed in Norma 9.3x57 brass, using CCI-200, Remington 9 1/2 and RWS-LR primers. All loads should be reduced by 10 percent and worked up carefully. (Handloader Issue #125)
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS)
232 Norma IMR IMR-3031 45 2,335
Remarks:#Barnes data
232 Norma IMR IMR-3031 48 2,485
Remarks:#maximum, but accurate
232 Norma Norma N-201 49 2,329
Remarks:#Norma data
232 Norma Norma N-201 53 2,435
Remarks:#warm, accurate
232 Norma Winchester W-748 54 2,450
Remarks:#most accurate

258 RWS Rottweil R-902 46 2,115
Remarks:#RWS data; R-prefix powders are Rottweil, not available in the U.S., and are shown for reference only. R-902 is close to Norma 201, W-748 and BL-C(2).
258 RWS Rottweil R-903 48 2,001
Remarks:#RWS data; R-prefix powders are Rottweil, not available in the U.S., and are shown for reference only. R-903 lies between H-335 and IMR-4064

270 Speer IMR IMR-4895 46 2,145
Remarks:#good hunting load
270 Speer IMR IMR-4895 47 2,205
Remarks:#maximum
270 Speer Winchester W-748 46 1,985
Remarks:#accurate, mild
270 Speer Winchester W-748 48 2,165
Remarks:#accurate, maximum
270 Speer IMR IMR-3031 42 2,110
Remarks:#fair

286 Norma IMR IMR-3031 40 2,000
Remarks:#Barnes data
286 Norma Norma N-201 44.6 2,067
Remarks:#Norma data, maximum

293 RWS Rottweil R-903 47 2,001
Remarks:#RWS data; R-prefix powders are Rottweil, not available in the U.S., and are shown for reference only. R-903 lies between H-335 and IMR-4064
 
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Thank you for this information


For those with a Husqvarna model 146

Warning!#Notes:#Test rifle was a Husqvarna Model 146 with 24 3/4-inch barrel. Loads developed in Norma 9.3x57 brass, using CCI-200, Remington 9 1/2 and RWS-LR primers. All loads should be reduced by 10 percent and worked up carefully. (Handloader Issue #125)
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS)
232 Norma IMR IMR-3031 45 2,335
Remarks:#Barnes data
232 Norma IMR IMR-3031 48 2,485
Remarks:#maximum, but accurate
232 Norma Norma N-201 49 2,329
Remarks:#Norma data
232 Norma Norma N-201 53 2,435
Remarks:#warm, accurate
232 Norma Winchester W-748 54 2,450
Remarks:#most accurate

258 RWS Rottweil R-902 46 2,115
Remarks:#RWS data; R-prefix powders are Rottweil, not available in the U.S., and are shown for reference only. R-902 is close to Norma 201, W-748 and BL-C(2).
258 RWS Rottweil R-903 48 2,001
Remarks:#RWS data; R-prefix powders are Rottweil, not available in the U.S., and are shown for reference only. R-903 lies between H-335 and IMR-4064

270 Speer IMR IMR-4895 46 2,145
Remarks:#good hunting load
270 Speer IMR IMR-4895 47 2,205
Remarks:#maximum
270 Speer Winchester W-748 46 1,985
Remarks:#accurate, mild
270 Speer Winchester W-748 48 2,165
Remarks:#accurate, maximum
270 Speer IMR IMR-3031 42 2,110
Remarks:#fair

286 Norma IMR IMR-3031 40 2,000
Remarks:#Barnes data
286 Norma Norma N-201 44.6 2,067
Remarks:#Norma data, maximum

293 RWS Rottweil R-903 47 2,001
Remarks:#RWS data; R-prefix powders are Rottweil, not available in the U.S., and are shown for reference only. R-903 lies between H-335 and IMR-4064
 
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