9mm (+P+) in Glock 17 and CZ?
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painbringer
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ahhh...so i shouldn't get a glock then???? they not good guns?
They are excellent firearms!!!!
However I would advise caution firing military spec ammo out of any non military firearms. Military firearms are designed to take a lot more pressure then our civilian firearms. If your pistol isn't rated for it, eventually it will fail regardless what name it has on it.
Who exactly makes "civilian firearms"? Whoever it is, it ain't glock!
Hey, Capp:
So, the factory Glock barrel is stainless, and the Bar-Sto barrel is black? I think you got your mords wixed!
Fully supported means that the support extends sufficiently. It is impossible to cut a feed ramp with a curved section and have it meet a cylindrical chamber at a plane perpendicular to the chamber, and not have some undercutting.
The G17 is sturdy as all ####. Shoot the bejeasus out of it.
Your kidding right?? Are we able to buy all the "military versions" of firearms deemed prohibited? Or are we stuck with the scaled down restricted versions for the "civilian" market? Even the non prohib pistols (depending) on the company will have different components inside then they would if it was going to the military.
Now I believe I said, if your pistol isn't rated for military ammo then its not safe. If you know for a fact the G17 is rated for +P+ then go nuts! Happy shooting!!
Some interesting reading: http://www.saami.org/Unsafe_Combinations.cfm
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No! I am not kidding! Holy ####, hey?!?
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Interesting read, especially the 9mm info.
www.internetarmory.com/handgunammo.htm
www.internetarmory.com/handgunammo.htm
Wow, man.
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I thought the KBs were only in the 40 caliber glocks. Was it not a g23 that first went boom? Anyways I think anything +p would be hard on any gun. Question is why would you shoot +P when all your shooting at is Paper targets. If you want the recoil or make major go to a bigger caliber and shoot the normal stuff out of your 9mm. Have a box of the hot stuff just in case Hollywood comes to your town.
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I believe it was a G22 that first went boom. This wont happen unless you chamber the same round many times so don't worry about it, just be cautious of chambering one round many times.
In a matter more related to the initial question from this thread: Ontario Police shoot subsonic "hot stuff" all the time for training and it's fine. I've never heard of a problem with .40 Glock.
Also, all the parts supplied on NATO issued Glocks and Ontario Police issued Glocks are the same except heavier trigger and trijicon night sights, which, can all be purchased on the civillian market. My pistol is labelled "Police Sales Only" and it's internals are all 100% factory original Glock, no secret magic in there.
mudgunner49
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Are you kidding?? 9x19 of any sort "hard on the body??? Your sister called - she wants her arms back!!!
I have around 5K of Winchester Ranger RA9TA 127 gr +P+ thru my G19 and you can hardly tell the difference between service ball and the Ranger - my kids shoot it for crying out loud!! For the most part the whole +P+ discussion is a bunch of Internet based keyboard masturbation.
There are not a lot of folks out there with meaningful quantities thru enough pistol samples to make informed comment, outside of governmental agencies.Would I fire it thru an older pistol of suspect origin? Probably no, but I don't shoot that sort of thing anyway. Would I shoot it thru any modern service grade handgun? Damn straight, Skippy - even my MkIII HiPowers get the odd mag or two and the Glock gets lots of it. Pressures of 9mm +P+ are nowhere near the realm of most .40 S&W...
One of the guys in our club shot Major 9 for several years thru a G17 with no ill effect. He sent it back to Glock several times over the years for periodic upgrades and it is still running strong with somewhere over the 200K mark thru it. Don't sell the modern service pistol short. The ammo companies aren't going to produce and sell stuff that is going to turn your Glock/Beretta/SIG/M&P, etc into a hand grenade.
blake
Are you kidding?? 9x19 of any sort "hard on the body??? Your sister called - she wants her arms back!!!
I have around 5K of Winchester Ranger RA9TA 127 gr +P+ thru my G19 and you can hardly tell the difference between service ball and the Ranger - my kids shoot it for crying out loud!! For the most part the whole +P+ discussion is a bunch of Internet based keyboard masturbation.
Would I fire it thru an older pistol of suspect origin? Probably no, but I don't shoot that sort of thing anyway. Would I shoot it thru any modern service grade handgun? Damn straight, Skippy - even my MkIII HiPowers get the odd mag or two and the Glock gets lots of it. Pressures of 9mm +P+ are nowhere near the realm of most .40 S&W...
One of the guys in our club shot Major 9 for several years thru a G17 with no ill effect. He sent it back to Glock several times over the years for periodic upgrades and it is still running strong with somewhere over the 200K mark thru it. Don't sell the modern service pistol short. The ammo companies aren't going to produce and sell stuff that is going to turn your Glock/Beretta/SIG/M&P, etc into a hand grenade.
blake
For your edification, I was shooting +P+ and machinegun ammo during the '60's and '70's, probably before you were an apple in your dads eye. And have shot a lot since.
mudgunner49
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Oh go on - you just wanted to use "edification" in a post...
I don't doubt that at all - it was not meant as a denigrating comment, and I was indeed fairly young during the '60's and '70's, and in fact not even "a gleam" as you say, until the first 30% of the decade was expended. You are obviously not a part of this segment "...There are not a lot of folks out there with meaningful quantities thru enough pistol samples to make informed comment, outside of governmental agencies..." of the shooting populace
I do not believe, however, and I'm sure that you'll correct me if I'm wrong, that there was ever even a "+P" designation by SAAMI until sometime in the '80's or thereabouts. Therefore, while most SMG oriented ammo and much European ammo is noticeably hotter that U.S. commercial stuff, it is not usually designated as "+P" (though in reality it probably is). As a point of fact, I have several Lugers that will not function reliably with U.S. commercial stuff unless it is actual +P.
I too have shot heaps (quite literally - loaded the mags from a pile of loose ammo 4' in diameter on a groundsheet) of SMG-only designated 9x19 as well as other actual MG ammo over the past 30 years or so. I'm sure the amount of experience pales in comparison to your own, however having been raised on a steady diet of 300gr .44 loads concocted primarily with 4227 (both flavours) and 2400, I still find the concept of "hard on the body" 9mm a bit of a giggle-inducer (unless of course one were being shot with said 9mm). That was the general direction of my original post that got sort of diverted, as I am wont to do...
Please don't take it personally - it is, after all, the Errornet.
Happy 17th of Ireland,
blake
I don't doubt that at all - it was not meant as a denigrating comment, and I was indeed fairly young during the '60's and '70's, and in fact not even "a gleam" as you say, until the first 30% of the decade was expended. You are obviously not a part of this segment "...There are not a lot of folks out there with meaningful quantities thru enough pistol samples to make informed comment, outside of governmental agencies..." of the shooting populace
I do not believe, however, and I'm sure that you'll correct me if I'm wrong, that there was ever even a "+P" designation by SAAMI until sometime in the '80's or thereabouts. Therefore, while most SMG oriented ammo and much European ammo is noticeably hotter that U.S. commercial stuff, it is not usually designated as "+P" (though in reality it probably is). As a point of fact, I have several Lugers that will not function reliably with U.S. commercial stuff unless it is actual +P.
I too have shot heaps (quite literally - loaded the mags from a pile of loose ammo 4' in diameter on a groundsheet) of SMG-only designated 9x19 as well as other actual MG ammo over the past 30 years or so. I'm sure the amount of experience pales in comparison to your own, however having been raised on a steady diet of 300gr .44 loads concocted primarily with 4227 (both flavours) and 2400, I still find the concept of "hard on the body" 9mm a bit of a giggle-inducer (unless of course one were being shot with said 9mm). That was the general direction of my original post that got sort of diverted, as I am wont to do...
Please don't take it personally - it is, after all, the Errornet.
Happy 17th of Ireland,
blake
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I believe +P came sometime in the '70's. SMG ammo (Canadian and British) were pre +P+ and possibly an extra +.
As for hard on the body, it is when age and arthur come creaping.
No offence taken.
I have some +P+ that I'm hording.
