A .30-06 poll

Do you own a .30-06?

  • Yes, it's my primary hunting rifle

    Votes: 429 45.3%
  • Yes, but I primarily hunt with other rifles

    Votes: 275 29.1%
  • No, but I want one

    Votes: 149 15.8%
  • No, then I'd have no way to justify my other hunting rifles to my wife

    Votes: 93 9.8%

  • Total voters
    946
I stumbled across this thread on 24CF a while ago. JJHACK is a hunting guide (African game) that explains in detail the results of the '06 (mostly bullet performance) on some of Africa's toughest game. It's a great read.

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I own one but it aint my main hunting rifle. Nope its an extension of my arm. With a 2 3/4x scope and iron sights it works handy for anything. it shoots accuartly with 55gr Accleraters or 220gr Nolser Partion. Its short, fast, fits nice with very little recoil. I carry it everywhere from cutting bush trails , to fixing fence. Its handy and i can get shells anywhere. It aint pretty but it does its job. But of course im not saying that i dont own other big magnun rifles but that 30-06 has been carried more then any of them will ever be. Whether im shooting a nuisance bear or a coyote the rifle does its job so what more can i ask from it.
 
Gate, if you had said .280 Remington or Ackley I might agree with you, except that there is a better selection of .30 caliber bullets than there is for the 7mm.

There is a 7mm bullet selection for any possible application that you woudl use a 7mm or 30 caliber bullet for!


One of the problems with the 7 mag is the rifles. I don't recall seeing one with a 20"-22" barrel, (Sako carbine??) so the magnum would fall down when it came to quick handling in thick cover.

If that is an important feature, $100 at a gunsmith or even a hacksaw and a recrowning tool woudl take care of that, but we are discussing cartridges, not calibers.;)


The 7mm mag didn't get it's following by accident, and it is a versatile cartridge, although not so versatile as the '06

With so many bullet and ammunition options out there for BOTH, I'd say it's a toss up. A guy coudl hunt forever with either and not notice the difference.:)
 
Problem for me is, as soon as you say magnum you are talking a heavier,
longer rifle

We are talkgin cartridges, not rifle, but a 7MM RM fits in a "standard" action size, same as a 30-06, and if you want a shorter rifle, that is easier to do than a longer one.;)


(and a little more recoil and muzzle blast than the '06) and one less round in the magazine.

When you say "little" you are correct. 30-06 recoil is no popgun, you know you are not shooting a 223!


That's the trade off for a slightly flatter shooting and slightly more powerful rifle that does nothing more than what the '06 does already on game


Yup, you won't see much difference in killing power...So why not go for the flatter shooting cartridge?:)

Id' say, at one time, with limited bullet and powder selection, the 30-06 was the most "versatile" but these days there is about a zillion contenders, from .308, 280, 280 AI (now a factory cartridge) 7mmRM, 300WSM.....Heck, even Rick had a good argument for the 35 Norma, since he coudl use lightweight pistol bullets to plink and make grouse loads with, and coudl use very heavy bullets for "stoppers"


The bottom line is that most hunters that own one of these cartridges can and will use it for everythign from yotes to grizzly bears, very few of them will use the more specialized bullets from the extremes of the spectrum, like the very light or very heavy ones...And all will do just fine.:cool:
 
well this was interesting :D

I guess since I have a 308, 7mmRM, 300WM and a pile of other rifles I don't need a 30-06, because really its a general rifle good for everyting, sort of a jack of all trades........ Master of none :D

I'll just keep my specialized rifles :p :stirthepot2:
 
Intolerant? You threw out a challenge to support why the '06 was special, I responded and supported my argument. If you refuse to accept my arguments that's cool, folks have to learn for themselves. That's what makes the world go round and is why we have so many great choices at the gun shops.

I fail to see backing up the 06 as being tolerant... I think you would notice no one bashed any other ctgs?
 
We are talkgin cartridges, not rifle, but a 7MM RM fits in a "standard" action size, same as a 30-06, and if you want a shorter rifle, that is easier to do than a longer one.;)




When you say "little" you are correct. 30-06 recoil is no popgun, you know you are not shooting a 223!





Yup, you won't see much difference in killing power...So why not go for the flatter shooting cartridge?:)

Id' say, at one time, with limited bullet and powder selection, the 30-06 was the most "versatile" but these days there is about a zillion contenders, from .308, 280, 280 AI (now a factory cartridge) 7mmRM, 300WSM.....Heck, even Rick had a good argument for the 35 Norma, since he coudl use lightweight pistol bullets to plink and make grouse loads with, and coudl use very heavy bullets for "stoppers"


The bottom line is that most hunters that own one of these cartridges can and will use it for everythign from yotes to grizzly bears, very few of them will use the more specialized bullets from the extremes of the spectrum, like the very light or very heavy ones...And all will do just fine.:cool:


Gatehouse your arguments are flawed. You're a smart fellow and know darn well that the 7mm Rem Mag requires a longer barrel to burn the extra powder. Besides, shortening the barrel requires you to go out and spend the dough to bring it to where the '06 already is. Ammo costs more, selection on store shelf ammo is less, etc. etc. I like the 7mm Rem mag, but it doesn't do dic more than my present gun.
 
Gatehouse your arguments are flawed. You're a smart fellow and know darn well that the 7mm Rem Mag requires a longer barrel to burn the extra powder.

Just how much barrel length do you think it takes to burn a full load of powder from a 7mm RM cartridge?

Besides, shortening the barrel requires you to go out and spend the dough to bring it to where the '06 already is.

So, because the barrel is 2" longer, the cartridge is less versatile? Some 30-06's have 24" barrels, to. Are these 30-06's no longer "versatile?" I'm starting to see what prosper means! :)

Ammo costs more, selection on store shelf ammo is less, etc. etc.

Federal lists 18 selections of Hunitng ammo for the 30-06, 13 for the 7mmRM. Both have ample selection to do whatever job needs to be done. The 7RM is in the top 5 or so popular cartridges in BC, others include 30-06, 270, 300WM- all of these have more than ample selection of ammo, and anywhere you can buy ammo, you can buy these selections


I like the 7mm Rem mag, but it doesn't do dic more than my present gun

And a 30-06 doesn't do #### that a 7RM cannot.:)
 
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Ok Ok where do I sign up, Gatehouse? I'll take the T shirt and the pants...and the underwear to go with it...and the full set of encyclopedia Britancica too. ;)

Answers:
a: 2" more is what manufacturer's normally supply

b. versatile? Who brought up versatile? 22" is all I want for deer hunting in the hardwoods.

c: You missed the ammo costs more part.

d: Federal's list isn't at the store. Stores carry more variety of .30-06.

Anyhow, we've beat this horse to death. I'm going out to buy a 7mm Rem. Mag. My .30-06 just doesn't cut it anymore. All these years, I've been living a lie!!!:(:D Oh the humiliation of it all!;)
 
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a: 2" more is what manufacturer's normally supply

yes....But you claimed that the 7RM needed 2" more barrel to BURN ALL THE POWDER. Which is ridiculous!!



b. versatile? Who brought up versatile? 22" is all I want for deer hunting in the hardwoods.

Guess you missed th eversatile discussion, huh?

c: You missed the ammo costs more part.

Yeah. Maybe an extra $2 a box for comparable ammo. Costs a few cents more in powder to reload, but maybe you make up for it in cheaper bullets, who cares...Lame argument

d: Federal's list isn't at the store. Stores carry more variety of .30-06.

Just about any store that sells ammo has a broad enough selection that you can get any job done. Even our local Canadian Tire carries WSM ammo, so they stock 7RM, too...This is also a lame argument.

30-06 lame arguments also include- If you forget your ammo, you can always get 30-06. Yeah. Also, 270, 300WM and 7RM, 308 and 30-30.

:)
 
yes....But you claimed that the 7RM needed 2" more barrel to BURN ALL THE POWDER. Which is ridiculous!!





Guess you missed th eversatile discussion, huh?



Yeah. Maybe an extra $2 a box for comparable ammo. Costs a few cents more in powder to reload, but maybe you make up for it in cheaper bullets, who cares...Lame argument



Just about any store that sells ammo has a broad enough selection that you can get any job done. Even our local Canadian Tire carries WSM ammo, so they stock 7RM, too...This is also a lame argument.

30-06 lame arguments also include- If you forget your ammo, you can always get 30-06. Yeah. Also, 270, 300WM and 7RM, 308 and 30-30.

:)


Gatehouse you need to get out more, smoke less, and drink less caffeine. You've got your knickers in a bind. Loosen up man. You're going to bust a vein in your forehead.

We all know the .30-06 is a better all round bullet than any 7mm Rem mag can ever be. It's all about balance.


Heck why am I trying to convince a man who uses a .375 Ruger?
...well at least the Ruger part makes sense.;)

Peace.
 
Gatehouse you need to get out more, smoke less, and drink less caffeine. You've got your knickers in a bind. Loosen up man. You're going to bust a vein in your forehead.
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Only smoke when I drink beer, don't drink coffee and find the intraweb fun, no veins popping. :)

We all know the .30-06 is a better all round bullet than any 7mm Rem mag can ever be. It's all about balance.

I would say the 30-06 is just as good, but not better than the 7RM, and vice versa. I doubt maost people can tell the difference;)
 
I have never owned a 30-06, but I do have four .308's, two 7x57's a 7x64, three .35 Whelens, a 45-70, .250 and a .25-06. I just never wanted a 30-06. I only load one bullet weight or the .308 - 165 grains. I use something other than .30 cal if I want lighter & flatter shooting, or heavier and harder hitting. After 35 years of big game hunting without ever using a 30-06, I killed two roe deer and two wild boar with a borrowed 30-06 last month in Germany of all places - where it is near the top in popularity.
 
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Remington 700 sps .3006 walnut with detachable mag........24 inch, jewelled bolt, 5x15 legend with warne quick detach scope rings,.....awesome gun!!

short mags just plain suck!!
 
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