A .30-06 poll

Do you own a .30-06?

  • Yes, it's my primary hunting rifle

    Votes: 429 45.3%
  • Yes, but I primarily hunt with other rifles

    Votes: 275 29.1%
  • No, but I want one

    Votes: 149 15.8%
  • No, then I'd have no way to justify my other hunting rifles to my wife

    Votes: 93 9.8%

  • Total voters
    946
I would say the 30-06 is just as good, but not better than the 7RM, and vice versa. I doubt maost people can tell the difference

Guarantee the animals you shoot them at can't.....


Own both. Killed my first animal with an 06 two years ago and still haven't killed anything with the 7RM but have lots with the 7STW. Arguing which of two is better shows just how bored people are.
 
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I'm a poor, broke college student who can only afford one rifle. I figure one chambered in 06' would be as good as I can ask for. By the way, it's a Sako Finnbear topped with a Scopecheif 3-9x

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""Judging the merits of a cartridge by it's accuracy potential is foolish, unless we're discussing competition shooting, and high end target guns that could actually show any difference in accuracy between different cartridges""" :onCrack::onCrack: Accuracy isnt important? lol
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about, right there. Burn the witch who does not worship at the altar of the 30-06, and dares to point out the heresy that there are, in fact, many many other cartridges out there every bit 'as good' as the 30-06

The 30-06 is undeniably a useful and versatile cartridge. But, it's HARDLY alone in that regard, and certainly isn't anything special. There's no compelling reason to choose a 30-06 over (say) a 270 - unless you plan to hunt mostly moose and big stuff. But then, there's no compelling reason to choose a 30-06 over a 338WM for that type of hunting. For a hunter who shoots an even mix of deer, moose and bear on the same hunts, there's no disadvantages to choosing a 308, or a 338, or a 35 whelen, or a 7mm08, or a 270, or whatever you want. They'll work, and none of them (30-06 included) is particularly well suited to ALL tasks you might one day ask of it.

So, let's recap the myths of the great 30-06:
Flat as a 270:
I doubt it, unless you're comparing heavy bullets in the 270 to lighter bullets in the 30-06, in which case the 270 would very likely penetrate better. Discussion which has better stopping power is a topic for another thread, but it's plenty obvious that 270's have taken every sort of game that 30-06's have. The difference between the two is unarguably a small one at most.
Versatility, and 'all around-ness'
There's no such thing. A gun ideally suited to take an elk is going to be unnecessarily powerful for deer. An ideal deer gun, too small to be ideal on elk. The 30-06 leans more to the 'too power for the small stuff, too small for the big stuff' side of the equation. The 'all around' gun is a complete myth. As a shooter, YOU need to decide whcih gun suites MOST of your needs, MOST of the time. There is NO cartridge out there ideally suited for both grizzly, AND pronghorn. As a sportsman, you have to decide which abilities are less important to YOU, and compromise accordingly. Or, better yet, get more than one rifle.
Cheaper to reload than the magnums:
pennies on the dollar. 60 grains of powder in the 30-06, 75 grains in the magnum. Brass about the same price, same for projectiles and primers. So 15 grains of powder, then; what, $.06? And, the unstated corollary to your statement is that the 30-06 is more expensive to reload than the 308. So which is it, then - is higher cost a good thing, a bad thing, or doesn't' really matter?
Less recoil than a 375:
So? The 375 has greater stopping power. And, in a hunting situation who would fire 100 rounds, prone, at full power? Granted, the 375 probably isn't the best gun to practice with, especially for a newbie, but neither is a 30-06.
Capable and useful:
Sure, but so is the 308, 270, 7mm08, 65x55, 260, 7x57, 8x57, 280, 7mm mag, 300 mag, etc.
300 magnum as versatile?:
that's a subjective judgment. Define the parameters better. It's absolutely undeniable that the 300WM can accomplish anything the 30-06 can, and more. The only price to pay is slightly more recoil and a few pennies per pop more cash. But, if you define versatility as the ability to be useful in a wider range of circumstances, then the 300 easily fits that bill.
308 more accurate:
perhaps, perhaps no. The vast majority of rifles are far more accurate than their operators, especially under field conditions. Judging the merits of a cartridge by it's accuracy potential is foolish, unless we're discussing competition shooting, and high end target guns that could actually show any difference in accuracy between different cartridges
30-06 velocity limit:
wait a minute here. I though we were just saying how well the 30-06 can cope with different bullets and muzzle velicities, and be as flat as a 270? Certainly a 30-06 can move a 150 grainer faster than a 7mm mag can move a 175 grainer. Furthermore, if we define 'optimal velocity' to be 2700 to 2900 - then virtually every modern sporting cartridge has a load in this velocity zone. Including the 7mm mag, the 300 mag, and WSM's as well as the non-magnum 308 family, the 7x57 family, and wildcats.
Magnums require premiums:
not at all. Or at least, not any more so than a 264 win mag shooting 160 grainers requires a premium bullet where a 30-06 shooting a 150 grainer doesn't.
460 more powerful:
not sure what you're getting at. Of course it recoils more, but if you're in a situation requiring the use of a 460, you'd better damn well have learned to cope with recoil as it'd be the least of your worries. And I'd bet you real money that someone who has found themself in a situation where there's a dire need for a 460 has ever said "geez, this recoil is a #####, I wish I had my '06 instead"
Newbie friendly:
see above. The 30-06 is HARDLY any more newbie friendly than one of a dozen of other rounds. The 7mm mag, for example, has a miniscule recoil difference compared to the 30-06. As with the 308. And none of them are especially newbie friendly; I'd even argue that a full power 30-06 is decidedly un-newbie-friendly when you look at the 7mm08, 6.5x55, 243, or the entire range of sub-caliber cartridges.
 
Just in case it hasn't been said yet...


"There ain't many problems a man can't fix with 700 dollars and a 30-06" :D

Frankly, i would tend to agree with gate and sheep tho, that realistically there's probably no noticeable difference between that and a 7mm mag. Tho i tend to prefer the 30-06 just 'cause.
 
"So why not go for the flatter shooting cartridge"
I have to agree with Gate. Why not choose a flatter shooting cartridge? I used a 30-06 from 1973-2007 with no problems. My Sako 7mm RM kicks about the same as my remington 30-06 did.
We are talkgin cartridges, not rifle, but a 7MM RM fits in a "standard" action size, same as a 30-06, and if you want a shorter rifle, that is easier to do than a longer one.;)




When you say "little" you are correct. 30-06 recoil is no popgun, you know you are not shooting a 223!





Yup, you won't see much difference in killing power...So why not go for the flatter shooting cartridge?:)

Id' say, at one time, with limited bullet and powder selection, the 30-06 was the most "versatile" but these days there is about a zillion contenders, from .308, 280, 280 AI (now a factory cartridge) 7mmRM, 300WSM.....Heck, even Rick had a good argument for the 35 Norma, since he coudl use lightweight pistol bullets to plink and make grouse loads with, and coudl use very heavy bullets for "stoppers"


The bottom line is that most hunters that own one of these cartridges can and will use it for everythign from yotes to grizzly bears, very few of them will use the more specialized bullets from the extremes of the spectrum, like the very light or very heavy ones...And all will do just fine.:cool:
 
The .30-06 became kinda bleh in and around 1952ish if you know what I mean. That being said I use a CDL SF Ltd. as my main Moose/Deer/Bear gun...and it haunts me every day that they don't chamber it in .308.

If you want something that kills everything, can shoot out to a grand accurately (in the right platform), and is downright classy, get a .30-06. If you want excuses to buy a different rifle for different hunting situations, STAY THE F*CK AWAY FROM THEM!
 
Obviously there's a lot more variables at play here than just the cartridge, but my friend's 7mm Mag Browning kicked the crap out of me compared to my Savage 111 .30-06. The recoil was not in the same league at all, and my Savage is a fairly light gun. I found the 7mm more unpleasant in the 'snappiness' of the recoil.

At any rate, I certainly agree that there is no such thing as the perfect cartridge, but a .30-06 is a good stand-by.
 
30-06.....snore!!
Sorry lads but it doesn't represent any great heritage for me.
Our lads fought 2 World Wars and a whole lot of little conflicts using the 303 so that defence for it's mightiness goes out the window here.
I don't doubt it is flexible and powerful but I'm not moved.
You're missing an option.

No, don't want one.

And for the record I don't justify rifles to my wife.
I say I need them and that's enough.
No one asks golfers why they have that many clubs or DIY junkies why they have that many power tools.
It's about time we stood up for ourselves.
 
30-06.....snore!!
Sorry lads but it doesn't represent any great heritage for me.
Our lads fought 2 World Wars and a whole lot of little conflicts using the 303 so that defence for it's mightiness goes out the window here.
I don't doubt it is flexible and powerful but I'm not moved.
You're missing an option.

No, don't want one.

And for the record I don't justify rifles to my wife.
I say I need them and that's enough.
No one asks golfers why they have that many clubs or DIY junkies why they have that many power tools.
It's about time we stood up for ourselves.

No nookie for you tonight!;):D
 
Ive got a Remmy 742 in 30-06 it's my only hunting rifle right

and Ive put probably 200rnds through it at one sitting and have not had it jam once on me, it's probably seen about 1000rnds since i got it only jams with super light 125gr ammo and even then it doesnt really jam it just doesnt have enough power to extract the casing and load another one so u have to just manually do it 150's,165's 180's etc all work flawlessly.

good cartridge good gun no complaints and it was cheap.
 
All that I own now are one 22lr, 2 30-06s', and a 12g shotgun. If I buy anything else, it will be a toy. My first 30-06 is a rem 700ADL, with a six enterprises stock attached, a gentry 3 position safety, topped by a Leupould 2-7x in Leupould dual-dovetail rings and mounts. My second 30-06 is a Mark-X Mauser barreled action with the barrel cut down to 20", express sights on Remington bases installed, Dakota 3 position safety installed, in a butler creek stock, topped with a Leupould 1-4X vari-X 2 in weaver rings so it can be detached quickly.
 
In our deer hunting camp, I am the only one who does not use a bolt action rifle. One guy uses a 303 Brit, two the .270 win. and the two others use the 30 06. Since we hunt in heavy bush, most of them have come to realise that my Marlin in .35 Rem. is a handier tool and most of them, looking back, wish that they had bought something more compact in a 308 win. or less. They don't like shooting often at the range because of the unecessary recoil. One of them even bought some Managed-recoil ammo from Remington.

On the other hand I am looking for a second rifle for long range applications (300 yards), in case I wanted to start Moose or Caribou hunting. I am considering the 7mm08, 280 Rem and the 270 WSM.

Yes, the '06 is a great "middle of the road cartridge", but that does not do it for me. If I would choose such a solution, I would rather have a .308 Win. in a short action instead...
 
I have a 308, shot a few deer and a moose with it. The more I shoot it, the more I like it. I want some thing bigger for Elk/Moose at longer ranges, and can"t decide on 30-06 or 300WM. The 30-06 might not be enough of a step up to be worth it. I handload everything so cost of ammo does"nt matter.
I don"t want to be in the "magnum crowd" just for the sake of it either!
 
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