A Real Hunter Slams Black Rifles
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ah but what is more the pity . his ignorance of the real weapon of choice of the terrorist community "the AK 47 " the AR 15 and the M 16 are precission weapons accurate and require a well trained handler. Unlike the AK which was designed with the Soviet peasant in mind,,
It's amazing how many people, good associates of Zumbo turn on him so nastily after he made his stupid comments. Up until now Zumbo's 40+ year career has done nothing but promote hunting and shooting in America.
At least now as he goes into 'retirement', he knows who his real friends are.
At least now as he goes into 'retirement', he knows who his real friends are.
No doubt, what he said is Wrong! and a mistake no matter what his heart felt feelings are about black rifles. But geeze, more has been done to publicize what was written by bitter gun owners than any true anti-gunner could ever hope.
In the past I have truly enjoyed Jim Zumbo's writings. They may have very well contributed to creating my interest in shooting, including owning 'black rifles'. I thank him for that.
Though I strongly disagree with him in his anti-black rifle stance, you can't take away the positive things he has contributed to shooting sports in general, nor can you convince me that this one error, outways all of that.
The guy's been severely punished, what more do folks want? Crows treat their own wounded better.
I am sorry if you find my forgiving nature disturbing. Shame on me I guess.
In the past I have truly enjoyed Jim Zumbo's writings. They may have very well contributed to creating my interest in shooting, including owning 'black rifles'. I thank him for that.
Though I strongly disagree with him in his anti-black rifle stance, you can't take away the positive things he has contributed to shooting sports in general, nor can you convince me that this one error, outways all of that.
The guy's been severely punished, what more do folks want? Crows treat their own wounded better.
I am sorry if you find my forgiving nature disturbing. Shame on me I guess.
Greentips, what a pile of dumbass comments - talk about rhetoric. A primer on how to got over the top. Perfect recipe:
- take one "Criminal";
- add an "Immoral" act;
- encourage people to not be his friend;
- throw in the words "KKK" and "Homophobe" for association.
And what do you have? Sadly, about the best you can expect if you step outside the bounds of political correctness in the firearm community.
- take one "Criminal";
- add an "Immoral" act;
- encourage people to not be his friend;
- throw in the words "KKK" and "Homophobe" for association.
And what do you have? Sadly, about the best you can expect if you step outside the bounds of political correctness in the firearm community.
Andy said:
I think Greentip is on the mark as far as Dumbo being a member of our community. One thing that distinguishes Dumbo from the rest of us is that he is, or rather was, a journalist in a position of 'trust' from which he was able, with ONE idiotic lapse of self-control, to do us a huge chunk of damage that you and I as 'the great unwashed' could not hope to copy. Abuses of a sensitive position result in exceptional punishment. Dumbo wasn't just some schmuck beaking off in public that no one pays attention to. He deserves everything he got. And so do we if we don't smarten up fast and close ranks on this guy. Dumbo's best service he can render now is in the form of damage control. And that isn't much apart from keeping his trap shut.
Greentips, if Dumbo has learned that keeping his prejudices to himself is the right thing to do, he should have the opportunity, just like any reformed criminal has, to earn his way back into polite society with appropriate community service. Staying retired on his part would be a good start.
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So Zumbo is now "Dumbo" - childish, but consistent with the mindset at play here.
Perhaps what we need on Gunnutz is a "Ministry of Information" that can guide and enforce what we may think and say. We already have our wise self-appointed Prophets who (and only who) can interpret "The Gospels of Firearms Ownership" on behalf of the masses, and anyone speaking heresy should be sanctionned immediately and called funny names.
Perhaps what we need on Gunnutz is a "Ministry of Information" that can guide and enforce what we may think and say. We already have our wise self-appointed Prophets who (and only who) can interpret "The Gospels of Firearms Ownership" on behalf of the masses, and anyone speaking heresy should be sanctionned immediately and called funny names.
The dispute regarding firearm ownership rights are now full fledged political war. If you think what happened to Zumbo's bad, and it went too far, well Liberals do that to their own who betray their trust. What happened to Zumbo, believe me, is not that harsh, compared to what happened to some of the political figures who fumbled in the past. He shoud've known what arena he was in. It is as nasty as any political struggle we can imagine. I for one, don't think it was all that harsh. To expect any respectable firearm manufacturers, or other firearm-related business, to continue their relationship with Zumbo, is madness.
Andy said:
Yeahhhhh, see this is the real world, where commentary by a public figure (Zumbo) is seized on as ammunition by people (the Brady group) who want to BAN ALL GUNS. That is their stated aim. It's precisely the high stakes of the debate, and the very clear line between 'on side' and 'off side' that made throwing Zumbo to the wolves an easy call for 99% of the firearms owners out there.
If you're still hung up about 'political correctness'... look, on this issue there's the side FOR gun ownership, and there's the side AGAINST it. If you think the FOR side is inflexible and closed-minded, you should have a conversation with Wendy or the nice folks at Brady sometime. The opposition's willingness to go to any lengths, means that there's zero room for idiots who can't toe a very basic line--in this case a fundamental constitutional line (in the US at least).
I know what zumbo was trying to say. He feels on par with how I feel, but not like that. He was talking of personal opinions. My opinion, I don't like using autoloading rifles. Plain and simple. I think writers try to use key words to persuade others to feel the way they do. The only word other than terrorist that would garner as much attention these days is greenhouse effect. And unfortunatly, greenhouse effect rifles just doesn't have the same ring to it. Terrorism is big business, and it is helping the ecomomy more than any single thing since world war two. But when I said earlier, I don't like hunting with autoloaders, that's my personal opinion. Others share this, others don't. I think what Zumbo was saying was he doesn't like them either. But in order to get it to stick, he needed those power words. And by a careless choice of words, the proverbial poop just hit the fan. It may have been a momentary lapse of judgement, but it was done. I don't belive he meant this to spiral out of control like this, that's obvious. But it happened. And now, as stated above, some very bad people now have some very powerful weapons against us. I don't know if I agree with the actions taking place to Zumbo, as punishment. But I do know this...There will be some very serious repercussions going out to all public figures in this feild. And if we have to make one very prominant figure an example, to show the public that A.) Hunters and gun owners are not "Terrorists", and will not tolerate this kind of behavior. And B.) to keep other prominant figures from going this route again, then I belive the benifit of the many out weighs the few. If we make him such an example, this will probably never happen again. This mistake will end up costing the many dearly. (My opinion!)
Since you didn't break your post, I treid to break it down so easier for me to interpret your interpretation of Mr Znmbo's anti-assualt rifle article.
Problem is, if Mr Zumbo stay and the antis can always refer his anti-assualt rifle article as a supportive message by a FAMOUS HUNTER SPONSORED BY REMINGTON, CABELAS, GERBER....and now they can feel free to quote a ###xx who dumped by the gun community.
My opinion too.
Sesshomaru said:
Obviously, you missed my point. So I too will break it down.
Quite simply, this is the best thing for the benifit of us, you and me. It sucks to be him, but I was trying to get accross that he made his bed, he will have to sleep in it. But as far as the nonstop tognue lashing that he is recieving via all this negative talk, is doing nothing anymore except putting a smile on the anti's faces. The point has been made. The people are not happy. The sponsers reacted. But what more do you want? Would you like to burn him at the stake? It's done. It can't be changed. All were doing is hurting ourselves. And by merely quoting only certain points of my post, your no better than the Brady's trying to show the negative, and then shining a spotlight on what you wat the world to see. It's what would be called a shameless atempt at giving the public tunnel vision. My post simply stared I don't personally like hunting with autoloading rifles. i belive that's what he was trying to say. You are trying to portray me as an antigun, hunter hating animal. Or so your highlites say...
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