And I should add that again that he should not have used certain words, i.e. terrorist, banned, etc. He may have expressed ignorance in a grand gesture, but I am not and never will be against any particular type of fiream. They are merely tools, and when used inproperly, they become bad things. Much like a hammer. I am not defending his actions. I'm only asking we keep things reasonable in our reactions, because we too are being monitored and it is easy to take what you want out of a post and make it say what you want it to say.
A Real Hunter Slams Black Rifles
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well he has lost cabelas now too
On Monday, February 19, Cabela's suspended sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show until Cabela's Legal Department could review contractual obligations and commitments relating to our business relationship. As of Tuesday, February 20, Cabela's has ceased our business relationship with Mr. Zumbo.
Cabela's strongly disagrees with Mr. Zumbo's February 16 posting on his Hunting with Jim Zumbo blog on Outdoor Life's Web site. His opinions on this matter run counter to the beliefs shared by Cabela's more than 12,000 employees, many of whom are hunters, recreational shooters and firearm enthusiasts
On Monday, February 19, Cabela's suspended sponsorship of the Jim Zumbo Outdoors television show until Cabela's Legal Department could review contractual obligations and commitments relating to our business relationship. As of Tuesday, February 20, Cabela's has ceased our business relationship with Mr. Zumbo.
Cabela's strongly disagrees with Mr. Zumbo's February 16 posting on his Hunting with Jim Zumbo blog on Outdoor Life's Web site. His opinions on this matter run counter to the beliefs shared by Cabela's more than 12,000 employees, many of whom are hunters, recreational shooters and firearm enthusiasts
The only saving grace I can determine from Zumbo's article is that it was published in a medium mainly frequented by hunters and shooters and therein lies the reason why I can't see his comments gaining any favour or perhaps even being taken seriously by the perspective audience.
After having digested his rantings, along with some of the more severe reactions to them, I would caution Mr. Zumbo to remember the words of, I believe it was, Mark Twain: "It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
After having digested his rantings, along with some of the more severe reactions to them, I would caution Mr. Zumbo to remember the words of, I believe it was, Mark Twain: "It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
here is his reply form here http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/286904.html
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The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.
Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity party.
They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?
But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.
My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.
I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.
Jim Zumbo
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The last few days have been an educational experience, to say the least. My ill-conceived inflammatory blog, as all of you now know, set off a firestorm that, I’m told, has never before been equaled. I’m not proud of that.
Let me say this at the outset. My words here are from the heart, and all mine. No one can censor me, and I answer to no one but myself. And I have no one to blame but myself. Outdoor Life, a magazine that I worked for full-time as Hunting Editor for almost 30 years, fired me yesterday. My TV show was cancelled yesterday. Many of my sponsors have issued statements on their website to sever all relationships. This may cause many of you to do backflips and dance in the streets, but, of course, I’m not laughing, nor am I looking for sympathy. I don’t want a pity party.
They say hindsight is golden. Looking back, I can’t believe I said the words “ban” and “terrorist” in the context that I did. I don’t know what I was thinking when I wrote that. I can explain this as sheer ignorance and an irresponsible use of words. What I’ve learned over the last few days has enlightened and amazed me. As a guy who hunts 200 days a year, does seminars on hunting, wrote for six hunting magazines, had a hunting TV show, and wrote 20 books on hunting, how could I have been so ignorant and out of touch with reality in the world of hunting and shooting?
But I was. I really can’t explain it, maybe because I just summarily dismissed the firearms in question in my mind when I saw them in magazines and catalogs. I saw one “black” firearm in a hunting camp in all my 50 years of hunting, and I shot one last year off a boat when fishing in Alaska. To tell the truth, it was fun and I enjoyed it immensely, but I never considered one for use in hunting. I have to tell you that I have had a revelation. I’m learning that many of my pals own AR-15’s and similar firearms and indeed use them for hunting. I was totally unaware that they were being used for legitimate hunting purposes. That is the absolute truth.
My biggest regret is not the financial impact of all this. I’m almost 67 and retirement is an option. The dreadful impact here is that I inadvertently struck a spear into the hearts of the people I love most…America’s gun owners. And, even though this huge cadre of dedicated people have succeeded in stripping me of my career, I hold no grudges. I will continue to stand as firm on pro hunting as I’ve ever done. But what’s different now is that I’ll do all I can to educate others who are, or were, as ignorant as I was about “black” rifles and the controversy that surrounds them. My promise to you is that I’ll learn all I can about these firearms, and by the time this week is out, I’ll order one. The NUGE has invited me to hunt with him using AR-15’s, and I’m eager to go, and learn. I’ll do all I can to spread the word.
I understand that many of you will not accept this apology, believing that the damage has been done and there’s no way to repair it. You have that right. But let me say this. I mentioned this above, and I’ll repeat it. I’m willing to seize this opportunity to educate hunters and shooters who shared my ignorance. If you’re willing to allow me to do that, we can indeed, in my mind, form a stronger bond within our ranks. Maybe in a roundabout way we can bring something good out of this.
Jim Zumbo
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i can't believe that he wasn't aware that people used AR/black rifle type firearms for hunting, i really can't.
he may have had a very narrow view of what "hunting" was but in the last 3-5 years almost every gun mag i am aware of has had a small game/predator article on how accurate/reliable/awesome AR style rifles are for hunting....
he may have had a very narrow view of what "hunting" was but in the last 3-5 years almost every gun mag i am aware of has had a small game/predator article on how accurate/reliable/awesome AR style rifles are for hunting....
+1
I just don't see how a man who professes to hunt 200 days a year, has never seen one AR being used for hunting purpose, and while this is a possibility, I just don't buy it. You don't get to earn a reputation as Zumbo did, without fully knowing your field of profession, and he's telling us that there were things he wasn't aware of, and it just doesn't fly. He's saying he was ignorant, but was that ignorant by mistake, or by will? He say he doesn't want a pity party, on his behalf I presume, and he shou;dn't worry. No one was preparing one.
I just don't see how a man who professes to hunt 200 days a year, has never seen one AR being used for hunting purpose, and while this is a possibility, I just don't buy it. You don't get to earn a reputation as Zumbo did, without fully knowing your field of profession, and he's telling us that there were things he wasn't aware of, and it just doesn't fly. He's saying he was ignorant, but was that ignorant by mistake, or by will? He say he doesn't want a pity party, on his behalf I presume, and he shou;dn't worry. No one was preparing one.
Well, now it's over. The damage may be done, but now we can start to correct it.
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/columnists/article/0,19912,1592623,00.html
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/columnists/article/0,19912,1592623,00.html
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A dead animal is just that, who gives a #### what form of firearm was used. It does not make it an ethical issue unless the firearm/cartridge is not capable of killing the animal outright. 
well it was a decent apology and maybe he will educate people that were as ignorant as him. But part of my problem with his comment is his constant referring to them in the hunting sports. He doesn't make any mention about the legitimacy of them for other types of shooting. again his "hunter bob" thinking is limiting him and his apology.
Hopefully all the SENIOR competitors out at the homestead range take note and learn from this senior's mistake. Many a time I've been told I should take my black rifle and go away and that people like me were the reason competitive shooting was getting a bad name.
Deckard said:Do you think that we, as a community, are not taking any more s**t from anybody?
If nothing else, this shows that we do have the power to influence the powers for what is right. It's a starting point. Who knows what we can do when we band together.
Slavex said:
***BINGO!***
My primary reason to own guns is to hunt. I own no assult type rifles. This is what floats my boat. But I will fight till the last dog's down for the rights of those than want to own ARs, or what hell ever else type of firearm as long is it is legal.
If there was a particular type or class of legally owned firearm that is deemed unsafe for society with documented proof, I would be in agreement with making it illegal.
Preaching to the converted here, but its illegally owned firearms and other associated crime that is the pulic risk.
On JZ, don't know much about him. sounds like he had a little melt down here or has been bull####ting for a loooooong time.
I've been following the other thread on this, and will watch Zumbo's activities in the near future as closely as I can. This will be admittedly difficult given that his vehicle in OL and elswhere seems to have been impounded.
I have great respect for Zumbo for the things he has written and done for hunting, which is my main passion related to firearms. I do hope that he follows through well and truely on his word, and effects some positive change in the minds of many WRT this controversy and the legitimacy of all firearms and their legal use.
I have great respect for Zumbo for the things he has written and done for hunting, which is my main passion related to firearms. I do hope that he follows through well and truely on his word, and effects some positive change in the minds of many WRT this controversy and the legitimacy of all firearms and their legal use.
