A Tale of a Savage and 2 Stevens 200's, lots more pics added

KDX said:
His story is starting to get pretty old already. I think he's scared of losing business if everyone started to shoot a Savage and nobody sent him that other brand to work on.
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I financed that savage 15 years ago, due to inflation and the canadian dollar at the time all I could afford was the stevens :D

Don't get me wrong I have wemingtons as well but they are not near as fun to shoot as a pimped out stevens, not to mention the looks you get when people ask just what it is or what it was :cool:
 
Sorry Dave, I should have been a little clearer. I was referring to the one poster who always slags Savages because they are no good and he likes to work on Remingtons, sell parts for them etc.
 
Not sure if you've seen these before.

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Well I managed to get into the Savage rebuild today, action and barrel are in the blank, going to build up the forestock with some cut offs for a full 3 inch flat bottom and then get it chucked up to cut the rough shape. The contrast of the stainless and unfinished pepper laminate is awesome :D

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The team Savage stuff is a bit misleading. I just watched that video KDX put up. I'm not bashing Savage here. If you took a factory Rem. 5R and let one of those guys shoot it exclusively with all the sponsoring, time and ammo they get it would do just as well. Or any custom. This isn't an equipment argument this is a person argument. These guys live on the range with a sponsorship and have learned the fundamentals. I'm not here to argue but the equipment stuff is just a choice of what you want, like and want to spend. Them winning anything doesn't prove Savage is better than anything else out there. Customs included. That's a fact.
 
But what it proves is that Savage is a viable option UNLIKE alot of detractors here and elsewhere.

I have never said that equipment will determine the end result in F class. If it did, I would quit tomorrow.

What you need is equipment that will get the job done. The generic Rem 700 has a 60yr history of gunsmithing tweaks that can bring it up to snuff but that is time consuming and expensive.

This created the custom action market - wonderful stuff and got you a ready to go, beautifully manf product. But also $$$. The pros and cons of tuned up Rem vs custom actions has raged on for a couple of decades and will continue to do so as shooters try to balance performance and costs.

But what many of these "Rem" shooters suggest is that the Savage is just plain BAD, CHEAP, and a poor choice for this type/any of shooting. This is where I and many others with real world experience say "what a second".

At no time have I or anyone else said that the factory Savage action is BETTER then the custom rigs for some disciplines like SR BR (or though that border is muddying) BUT for the disciplines like F class, Tactical, varminting, LR hunting, it can work as good as any other.

AND cost sooooo much less to do.

As I have mentioned many times, I have proven that these actions and concepts work repeatably and reliably. It gives shooters an affordable option to get out an compete and have some fun.

The sport we have now is in desparate need of a population increase and lowering the cost of entry can only help this cause.

So instead of saying the Savage is crap, which of course it is not. Show it as an inexpensive alternative. Some will choose it, some will not BUT if they all come out and play, we are richer for that.

That is what these videos are showing, that these inexpensive and readily available rifles CAN and DO work. You can come play without needing to spend as much as 5 times more.

Once the rifle is capable of achieving the needs of the sport, the rest is up to the shooter AND that is the bottom line.

Gear will never win matches - Skilled shooters do!!!!! - and the only way to get more skilled shooters is to get MORE shooters on the line practising, shooting and having alot of fun.

It no longer has to cost so much.....

Jerry
 
Darrell, Stan, Monte and John from Team Savage are simply fantastic shooters, who happen to be sponsored by Savage.They have done very well on the world stage, but so have the other American and Canadian shooters who are not sponsored. Savage is currently the only manufacturer who is actually producing and marketting an over the counter F/Tr rifle. Good for Savage for doing this. I wish some of the others would do the same, as it could only help our sport to grow. Remington could easily do this- think an XR-100 action sitting in a MBR style laminate stock. This isn't about Savage vs Remington, so much as Savage picking up a long neglected ball and running it into the endzone while the other manufacturers stand around watching a different game!
 
Well put Jerry, in the last year I have seen a real increase in the number of savage and stevens rifles on the firing line. If we can get the prices lower and generate more interest in getting people in the sport then if they decide to upgrade down the road then great. I have seen custom rigs not shoot to their full potential due to lack of trigger time by the owner, enough said.

I think as our numbers grow us barrel nut fans are going to see even more aftermarket accessories on the store shelves, with all the barrel makers starting to offer pre fit barrels others might figure out what we already know and jump on board. Seams to me its just another ford/chevy debate with the populace but at the end of the day both get the job done, the results really depend on the driver. But then there is nothing better then debating which is better with someone who doesn't one or the other and is driven by bias facts found in magazine articles and internet forums.
 
mpwolf said:
Darrell, Stan, Monte and John from Team Savage are simply fantastic shooters, who happen to be sponsored by Savage.They have done very well on the world stage, but so have the other American and Canadian shooters who are not sponsored. Savage is currently the only manufacturer who is actually producing and marketting an over the counter F/Tr rifle. Good for Savage for doing this. I wish some of the others would do the same, as it could only help our sport to grow. Remington could easily do this- think an XR-100 action sitting in a MBR style laminate stock. This isn't about Savage vs Remington, so much as Savage picking up a long neglected ball and running it into the endzone while the other manufacturers stand around watching a different game!
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Browning kind of sort of has a rifle that could be considered viable. I think the TC Icon will have a competition variant in the future.

Didn't Win make a competition rig many moons back?

why Rem has avoided the whole scene is beyond me. It would be off the shelf stuff that they could put a premium on and make money!!!!

Savage certainly isn't doing this for free. So good on them for jumping on a wide open market and gaining huge market share and serious credibility.

More the merrier. But the obvious seem to baffle many corporate types.

I think they are more concerned to come up with ways to loose then make money. Bailouts have proven to be very profitable....

Jerry
 
yodave said:
Well put Jerry, in the last year I have seen a real increase in the number of savage and stevens rifles on the firing line. If we can get the prices lower and generate more interest in getting people in the sport then if they decide to upgrade down the road then great. I have seen custom rigs not shoot to their full potential due to lack of trigger time by the owner, enough said.

I think as our numbers grow us barrel nut fans are going to see even more aftermarket accessories on the store shelves, with all the barrel makers starting to offer pre fit barrels others might figure out what we already know and jump on board. Seams to me its just another ford/chevy debate with the populace but at the end of the day both get the job done, the results really depend on the driver. But then there is nothing better then debating which is better with someone who doesn't one or the other and is driven by bias facts found in magazine articles and internet forums.
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The market growth speaks for itself. Which is so positive for the sport.

Guess what? more guns mean more.....scope, bullets, dies, rests, stocks, triggers, etc, etc, etc.

Build it and they will spend more $$$$. More money spent means more companies get to stay in business and even expand.

This is not a ford/Chevy debate but more a Honda/Acura vs BMW/Porsche debate of my early car days.

Amateur racing took a huge leap in numbers when racers discovered how well these 'cheapie' Asian cars ran. They even kept up and beat the big name brands.

That lead to the Compact Car movement in the US which is now a multibillion$$ industry and helped propel Honda, Toyota to where they are today.

Even changed how cars are designed and built.

The numbers of F class shooters has really risen locally due in part to the hard work of event coordinators to put in entry level/sporter class. Guess what. They have fun, they go buy a tuned up Rem or Savage, then they progress and some decide they want the fancy stuff and buy the $$$$......

But if they never came out with their whatever, all this would have been lost to another money sucking activity.

Competitive gear at an affordable price is what Savage brings to the shooting sport. Like it, don't like it - that is your opinion

But you can't dissagree it is helping ALOT of shooters take up competitive shooting in several disciplines and enter other hunting sports.

THAT is good news for us all...

Some just have to forget about their shiny key fobs and listen to the sound of squealing tires..... or lack thereof

Jerry
 
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