A Way to Get 10 Rounds in SKS Legally?

[gmctech]

I really don't understand what all this fear is about. There is no shortage of threads about AR platforms accepting 10 RD pistol mags. It is openly and often discussed here, with no cries for bans or fear of anti retaliation.

Why the fear surrounding the same for an SKS?

>>i dun get it?.jpeg

Well then.... If you think that this little modification wouldn't get your arse in front of a judge then go for it... I see this topic as one that just may get someone in trouble... Simple fact is, is that the SKS semi automatic centre fire rifle may not legally hold more than 5 rounds... I had a chat with a DNR officer about this at the provincial range today and his exact words were "I'd nail your a-ss to the wall"... So I dunno....... I sure as heck would not want to test those waters...

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[luke s]

Well then.... If you think that this little modification wouldn't get your arse in front of a judge then go for it... I see this topic as one that just may get someone in trouble... Simple fact is, is that the SKS semi automatic centre fire rifle may not legally hold more than 5 rounds... I had a chat with a DNR officer about this at the provincial range today and his exact words were "I'd nail your a-ss to the wall"... So I dunno....... I sure as heck would not want to test those waters...

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how so when a cz858 with an adapter can hold 10 rounds, a vz58 with an adapter can hold 10 rounds, why wouldnt an sks with an adapter be able to hold 10 rounds?

 

[Dexter Morgan]

Well then.... If you think that this little modification wouldn't get your arse in front of a judge then go for it... I see this topic as one that just may get someone in trouble... Simple fact is, is that the SKS semi automatic centre fire rifle may not legally hold more than 5 rounds... I had a chat with a DNR officer about this at the provincial range today and his exact words were "I'd nail your a-ss to the wall"... So I dunno....... I sure as heck would not want to test those waters...

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Why are you accusing people of breaking the law? There is no gray area here whatsoever.

The RCMP has put it in writing (on official RCMP letterhead even).
Ten round pistol magazines are 100% legal to use in centerfire, semi-automatic rifles.

Wolverine Supplies is currently selling CZ-858 rifles that have been adapted to accept XCR pistol magazines in 7.62x39

The only reason they aren't already doing the same with the SKS is that it is not cost effective (from a retailer standpoint) to do a $200 machining job to a $200 rifle.

But if someone happens to be a machinist and wants to machine their own rifle, it is perfectly legal to do so.

Quoted From the Wolverine Website;

CZ 858-2 7.62 x 39, 19" Barrel, Fixed Buttstock with B&T Magwell Adapter

These receivers have been machined to accept the B&T AR15 magwell adapters.

The B&T AR15 magwell adapters are designed to fit the Robinson Armament 7.62x39 10 Round AR15 style pistol magazines.

 

[RangerFries]

I haven't tried this, but I assume it would work...

If you open the magazine, throw 10 rounds in from the bottom (with the bolt closed so they don't fall through), close the cover as far as you can, put an elastic band around it to keep the bullets in, then you have 10 rounds in your SKS, but you haven't modified anything... The plug is still there so it still only hold five rounds if you close the magazine cover.

LOL... I know... This is ridiculous... But so are magazine limits...

Why do you need 10 rounds in your SKS that badly...

My understanding is that it doesn't matter if you are modified anything or not, you just can't legally have more then 5 rounds in the rifle. PERIOD.

Unless you are planning an armed assault it really doesn't take that long to pop in a new mag.

 

[Sevensixtwo]

It's stupid crap like this that puts us all in a bad light....STFU!
SUPER BIG BAN HAMMER!! NOW!

############xx. some one is exercising their right to speak and think creatively. go beat your wife or stifle someone else's right to free speech and thought.

As Maynard James Keenan says "I can say what I want to, even if Im not serious"

 

[handofzeus]

#########xx. some one is exercising their right to speak and think creatively. go beat your wife or stifle someone else's right to free speech and thought.

As Maynard James Keenan says "I can say what I want to, even if Im not serious"

Guess I'm exercising MY right to let some fool know that he's alerting every troll to the possibility that some gun owners might try to skirt the law and in doing so is facilitating even more scrutiny against us. It's nice to think everybody on this site is your best buddy but the reality is that this is where the antis search for ammunition against us.

 

[drift1122]

I'm not trying to give the antis ammunition for there arguments. I just want to discuss with others the possibility of legally creating an adapter for my sks. I'm pretty sick of these flame wars, we should be able to discuss a topic without people flying off the handle. It's a discussion, that's all.

 

[Sevensixtwo]

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[Noltz]

That DNR guy wouldn't have a leg to stand on if you threw the 10 round PISTOL mag in his face.

"What's the charge?"
"Possession of a prohibited device"
"What device in my possession is prohibited?"
"That 10 round capacity SKS"

Thud. LAR mag hits the ground.

"That's a pistol mag, dip---t. Bought legally, possessed legally. Call the RCMP. NOW." I'll wait."

Seriously, it's been done and is being done daily. This isn't a secret. The 5 round limit for center-fire semi's is asinine, and I think even the RCMP knew it was dumb.

Should I touch on the .40 mag in 9mm ruling?

OP, if you have the knowledge and can draw up an adapter, you've probably got a money maker on your hands. Yes, the SKS was supposed to hold 10 rounds.

 

[Recce21]

Why do you need 10 rounds in your SKS that badly...

Because that is what the rifle is designed for and our mag restriction laws are f*cking dumb. Why do you need a large dog when a small dog is the same thing but half the size and doesn't scare Liberals and pussies?

My understanding is that it doesn't matter if you are modified anything or not, you just can't legally have more then 5 rounds in the rifle. PERIOD.

Wrong. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. More than 5 rounds can be in a semi auto centre fire if the original magazine housing the ammo is not modified in any way from the way it left the factory and the firearm it was originally designed for can legally hold more than 5 rounds. Like the LAR pistol for example.

Unless you are planning an armed assault it really doesn't take that long to pop in a new mag.

Unless you are planning on being a NASCAR driver your car shouldn't be able to exceed the speed limit. It doesn't take that long to leave from your house early.....

 

[gmctech]

That DNR guy wouldn't have a leg to stand on if you threw the 10 round PISTOL mag in his face.

"What's the charge?"
"Possession of a prohibited device"
"What device in my possession is prohibited?"
"That 10 round capacity SKS"

Thud. LAR mag hits the ground.

"That's a pistol mag, dip---t. Bought legally, possessed legally. Call the RCMP. NOW." I'll wait."

Seriously, it's been done and is being done daily. This isn't a secret. The 5 round limit for center-fire semi's is asinine, and I think even the RCMP knew it was dumb.

Should I touch on the .40 mag in 9mm ruling?

OP, if you have the knowledge and can draw up an adapter, you've probably got a money maker on your hands. Yes, the SKS was supposed to hold 10 rounds.

Oh I do agree that it's a bizarro law, but I'm sure as heck won't be the guy to be the litmus test... If you are so brave grab an SKS and go find yourself a LEO or DNR officer and flaunt your wares, I'd like to see that video.

 

[Steiner]

Just because he is a DNR guy doesn't mean he is applying the law correctly.

I don't see a problem with the SKS mod. As someone pointed out, the VZ/Cz has had this same methodology applied to use XCR mags.

The mods know when something isn't right and they'll move on it.

 

[gmctech]

Just because he is a DNR guy doesn't mean he is applying the law correctly.

I don't see a problem with the SKS mod. As someone pointed out, the VZ/Cz has had this same methodology applied to use XCR mags.

The mods know when something isn't right.

So, the RCMP have no issue with putting a handgun magazine in a semi auto centre fire rifle? Even after the rifle and/or magazine has been altered to make the system work?

 

[fnrob]

So, the RCMP have no issue with putting a handgun magazine in a semi auto centre fire rifle? Even after the rifle and/or magazine has been altered to make the system work?

Using a magazine manufactured for one type of firearm an another type (let's say a pistol mag in a centrefire semi-auto rifle for an example) is perfectly acceptable, according to the RCMP:

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm
The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

Modifying that same pistol magazine to work in a centrefire semi-auto rifle however, is seen by the RCMP as manufacturing a semi-auto centrefire rifle mag, and the mag would need to be blocked at 5 rounds to remain legal. However, there is nothing in the law that states modifying the firearm itself to work with the mags can't be done (just look at the AR magwell adaptors for the .223 VZ-58 and H&K SL-8, and all the people legally using LAR-15 mags in them).

 

[drift1122]

Now that's good news!

 

[mdmaroon]

Wow, I thought all this 10 round pistol magazine stuff was common knowledge.

Thank goodness I started this thread so everyone who was ignorant of the law could learn something. Just doing my part.

 

[Sadosubliminal]

So, the RCMP have no issue with putting a handgun magazine in a semi auto centre fire rifle? Even after the rifle and/or magazine has been altered to make the system work?

I wasn't just making stuff up when I said there are already a number of threads here regarding this. These rifle caliber pistol mags are 100% legal to use in any firearm that will accept them. Any firearm.

It is already common practice amongst many CGN users to buy LAR mags and use them in their AR platforms. 100% legal. It is a 10 round pistol mag in .223. The same applies to the 10 round 7.62x39 pistol mag for the XCR pistol. It is 100% legal to possess.

A magazine is either prohibited, or it is legal. There is no other classification. There are no laws prohibiting the use of legal 10 round pistol magazines in a rifle, center fire, semi-auto, or otherwise.

Honestly, this has been discussed ad nauseum. Please search out the threads, get educated in the rules, and enjoy the additional fun you can legally have with these magazines in your AR's, CZ's, etc. All we are doing is trying to find a legal way to enjoy the same with our SKS. There is nothing illegal here, and if there was, the mods would have said so long ago. So long as we do not modify the magazine in any way, we are in compliance with the law. There are no rules surrounding modifications to a receiver to accept a pistol mag. End of story. So let's all take a deep breath and realize that we are all going to be just fine.

 

[Recce21]

And lets not forget my personal favorite the 13 9mm rounds legally in a .40 S&W magazine.

 

[Sadosubliminal]

And lets not forget my personal favorite the 13 9mm rounds legally in a .40 S&W magazine.

I did not know of that. Awesome stuff.

 

[Dakk]

If there were a bolt action long rifle that used 7.62 x 39 we could have large (unlimited) capacity mags on SKSs. Anyone care to design and produce one?