AB big game rifle
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Tikka is a great choice. Smooth action, get extra clips. I have used Tikka's for over 30 years. Have 17, 222, 22-250,243,270,7mm,300,338. Both the 270 and 7mm are a pleasure to shoot and reload. I always use the Partition bullets for big game.
I have a couple 270 WSM and a couple of 270 win. They are both great cartridges but the wsm wins hands down. It drives a 150 grain bullet at 3150 fps exceeding the 30/06 and the other 7's with the same weight bullets. What's not to like?
No, it isn't. I have shot and been party to quite a few animals shot with it to prove it if you like. But to each their own.
gunrunner8
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Kamloops, B.C.
X2 270 is to small for anything that bites back. About 10 years ago Kelowna hunter was killed by grizzly in Kettle Valley (?) even he shot it twice accurately with 270 Win and both were found dead side by side. Now we can speculate, but if he had 3006 or 35 Whelen he could be still alive.
He could, but just as easily not.
All this naysaying regarding the 270 Win makes me think I ought to build one of them instead of the 06.
gunrunner8
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Kamloops, B.C.
You can build two or three of them if you like the caliber that much, it's a free (still) country after all. It is nothing wrong with 270Win in Alberta, here in B.C. in the bush the minimum I feel comfortable with is 30-06 with good and heavy bullet.He could, but just as easily not.
All this naysaying regarding the 270 Win makes me think I ought to build one of them instead of the 06.
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- AB foothills
Guess what, here in Alberta we have bush, mountains and oh ya, grizzly bears.
Where do you guys get this stuff?
And "if the Rockefeller Center was a banana split, ice cream would melt all over Fifth Avenue.".
Guess what, here in Alberta we have bush, mountains and oh ya, grizzly bears.
Where do you guys get this stuff?
Yeah but Alberta Grizzlies are less temperamental because they get more sunshine.
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- AB foothills
(Figures from www.shootingtimes.com/ballistics/ballistic-tables/)
Let’s use the .30-30 as a baseline, in that it has been reliably putting down whitetails at 100 yards for the past century. A standard .30-30 load with a 150gr SP bullet has a KE at 100 yards of 1,356 ft/lb, so let’s take that figure as the required energy. (I will stay away from black bear and moose for now, even though the .30-30 has taken more of those than virtually any other calibres outside of the .303 or the .30-06. Let’s just stay with deer.)
The .270 Winchester 130 gr SP has that KE at 400 yards – 1,379 ft/lb. It’s reasonable to conclude that the .270 Winchester can be expected to do what is required of a deer rifle at any distance up to 400 yards.
The .270 WSM with a 130 gr SP has 1,380 ft/lb at 500 yards – that’s clearly superior to the .270 Winchester. There’s no doubt about it – the .270 WSM has superior energy at all ranges. Indeed, it provides the same energy at 500 yards that our reliable .30-30 benchmark provides at one-fifth that distance. Remarkable design.
There’s only one problem with all of that. How many of us – honestly, now – can hit a deer’s vital zone at 500 yards every time, first shot? (Keep in mind that the drop at 500 yards is 33 inches and the vital zone is no more than a foot square.) Unless you can put your first round into that size target every single time, shooting at that distance is irresponsible because you’re too likely to just wound.
So we have an excellent round, one that would frankly seem to have more potential than most people can take advantage of. Its excellent velocity is commendable, but you can only kill game dead – ‘dead-dead-dead’ may be impressive, but it’s no closer to the pot than simply ‘dead’.
If you like to be seen carrying some cordite-powered arm-candy, go for it. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with paying a few extra pesos to have that kind of velocity. Freedom of choice is grand - fill yer boots, boys. But let’s just not kid ourselves that it brings some practical advantage over the .270 Winchester.
Let’s use the .30-30 as a baseline, in that it has been reliably putting down whitetails at 100 yards for the past century. A standard .30-30 load with a 150gr SP bullet has a KE at 100 yards of 1,356 ft/lb, so let’s take that figure as the required energy. (I will stay away from black bear and moose for now, even though the .30-30 has taken more of those than virtually any other calibres outside of the .303 or the .30-06. Let’s just stay with deer.)
The .270 Winchester 130 gr SP has that KE at 400 yards – 1,379 ft/lb. It’s reasonable to conclude that the .270 Winchester can be expected to do what is required of a deer rifle at any distance up to 400 yards.
The .270 WSM with a 130 gr SP has 1,380 ft/lb at 500 yards – that’s clearly superior to the .270 Winchester. There’s no doubt about it – the .270 WSM has superior energy at all ranges. Indeed, it provides the same energy at 500 yards that our reliable .30-30 benchmark provides at one-fifth that distance. Remarkable design.
There’s only one problem with all of that. How many of us – honestly, now – can hit a deer’s vital zone at 500 yards every time, first shot? (Keep in mind that the drop at 500 yards is 33 inches and the vital zone is no more than a foot square.) Unless you can put your first round into that size target every single time, shooting at that distance is irresponsible because you’re too likely to just wound.
So we have an excellent round, one that would frankly seem to have more potential than most people can take advantage of. Its excellent velocity is commendable, but you can only kill game dead – ‘dead-dead-dead’ may be impressive, but it’s no closer to the pot than simply ‘dead’.
If you like to be seen carrying some cordite-powered arm-candy, go for it. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with paying a few extra pesos to have that kind of velocity. Freedom of choice is grand - fill yer boots, boys. But let’s just not kid ourselves that it brings some practical advantage over the .270 Winchester.
roberto mervici
Regular
- Location
- Prov.Quebec, Canada
Both are good caliber to start, personally I prefer the .270 Win. to the .270 WSM, I feel the wsm is a gimmick to sell more rifles ..... the velocity is not near the advertised velocity and when reloading I need to get new tray with bigger hole for the fat bras.
have to admit that ammong all the wsm the .270 is the closest to the avertised speed.
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roberto
have to admit that ammong all the wsm the .270 is the closest to the avertised speed.
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roberto
Guess what, here in Alberta we have bush, mountains and oh ya, grizzly bears.
Where do you guys get this stuff?
Is that THE captain Kirk?
Ooops, I don't know my star tracks very well. Picard?
10-4, up to speed......warp speed
