Accurate non restricted semi auto rifle, which to get?
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"Restricted"
- some rifles are NAMED restricted - doesn't matter what you do to them, they're restricted (this is the "new" system) like the AR and anything that looks vaguely like an AR (AR10, Umarex M4, Chiappa M4)
- some rifles are restricted due to barrel length - they are ONLY restricted while they wear a short barrel (this is the "old" system) some rifles are too new to have been caught up in the "new" system, so they fall back onto the "old" system. If you get one of these and change the barrel out it's now Non-Restricted.
- To summarize, we have 2 totally different systems of determining the status of a rifle, and both are in effect at the same time- so why are you confused?
- some rifles are NAMED restricted - doesn't matter what you do to them, they're restricted (this is the "new" system) like the AR and anything that looks vaguely like an AR (AR10, Umarex M4, Chiappa M4)
- some rifles are restricted due to barrel length - they are ONLY restricted while they wear a short barrel (this is the "old" system) some rifles are too new to have been caught up in the "new" system, so they fall back onto the "old" system. If you get one of these and change the barrel out it's now Non-Restricted.
- To summarize, we have 2 totally different systems of determining the status of a rifle, and both are in effect at the same time- so why are you confused?
Restricted plus. You can't get one. US Gov restricts the export of some rifles to Mil/LE only - besides, lovely but waaaaaaaay costly (the standard SR-25, on which the SASS is based is out there - restricted and $6,000 - if available, availability changes based whether or not the USG is issuing permits to export - terrific rifle, KAC stuff is very very nice)
Heard that a million times.. but yes, very true.
On my quest for an accurate semi-auto .223/5.56 rifle I have found the ACR with the Questar NR barrel to be the most accurate with factory ammo. That being said I don't reload for that caliber and many rifles respond well to a specific load recipe. Also, the early model ACR's, especially the ones sold by Questar, seem to have some QC issues (Not just my experience). My NR experiences have included:
- Swiss Arms Classic Green 1/7
- Swiss Arms Black Special Target 1/10
- Tavor w/ rail
- Tavor w/o rail
- Questar Bushmaster NR ACR
I think that the Questar NR BACR's accuracy, which is around 1 MOA (+/- 0.5"), is a result of the Questar NR barrel, and a fairly light piston system. I primarily shoot high end AR's (Owned many Noveske's), so I'm comparing my expectations to that. My 18" Noveske SPR would shoot 1/2" all day with match ammo. Although I always read about great accuracy from SA rifles, I never found them to be consistantly accurate (i.e. MOA). Then again, I may have not figured out how to make them shoot well.
- Swiss Arms Classic Green 1/7
- Swiss Arms Black Special Target 1/10
- Tavor w/ rail
- Tavor w/o rail
- Questar Bushmaster NR ACR
I think that the Questar NR BACR's accuracy, which is around 1 MOA (+/- 0.5"), is a result of the Questar NR barrel, and a fairly light piston system. I primarily shoot high end AR's (Owned many Noveske's), so I'm comparing my expectations to that. My 18" Noveske SPR would shoot 1/2" all day with match ammo. Although I always read about great accuracy from SA rifles, I never found them to be consistantly accurate (i.e. MOA). Then again, I may have not figured out how to make them shoot well.
A mini-14 can be made very accurate with re-work and a match barrel. These guys put a 3/4 MOA guarantee on their conversion: http://www.ruger-mini-14-firearms.com/ruger_mini_prices.php
It's the same system as the M-14.
It's the same system as the M-14.
Noooooooooo.
I've you have the money, why don't you get one of these:
https://www.volquartsen.com/products/432-evolution
They take AR magazines as well which means you can use LAR15s. Voquartsen has canadian distributers so you should be able to get one, though it might take a few months.
https://www.volquartsen.com/products/432-evolution
They take AR magazines as well which means you can use LAR15s. Voquartsen has canadian distributers so you should be able to get one, though it might take a few months.
Based on my experience, the following are all worthy contenders for an accurate, reliable, black/tacticool "AR style" non-restricted firearm:
5.56mm NATO
Robinson Arms XCR
Swiss Arms PE90
H&K SL8
IWI Travor
*ACR (I have only fired this rifle type, do not own it and hence cannot really "recommend" it - but it is an option to pursue)
7.62mm NATO
Kel Tec RFB
If you are interested in the Eastern Bloc rifle look, the Vz.58 series (available in both 5.56mm NATO and 7.62mmx39 Warsaw) of rifles are an option as well.
Personally, the only one I would not recommended would be the Travor - for the price, it lags in the accuracy department compared to the others. Each rifle mentioned above has it's strengths and weaknesses, it's up to your to determine what the best fit might be based on your specific needs, requirements and price.
5.56mm NATO
Robinson Arms XCR
Swiss Arms PE90
H&K SL8
IWI Travor
*ACR (I have only fired this rifle type, do not own it and hence cannot really "recommend" it - but it is an option to pursue)
7.62mm NATO
Kel Tec RFB
If you are interested in the Eastern Bloc rifle look, the Vz.58 series (available in both 5.56mm NATO and 7.62mmx39 Warsaw) of rifles are an option as well.
Personally, the only one I would not recommended would be the Travor - for the price, it lags in the accuracy department compared to the others. Each rifle mentioned above has it's strengths and weaknesses, it's up to your to determine what the best fit might be based on your specific needs, requirements and price.
If money is no object, then the Swiss Arms Green Classic/Black Special would be the one...........Accurate as hell out of the box.........but big $$$$$$$$ (3K+)
Another Non-Restricted option if you want to stay with 5.56 is the Robarms M96 Expeditionary rifle..............I loved mine, but they are out of production so you would have to be patient and look for a used one.............I would love to find another one........
If you want 7.62, the Norinco M305/M14 is a great deal at $400.00 and can be made to be very accurate (0.0 to 0.25 MOA) depending on how much money you want to spend.It is more accurate then the SKS or CZs........
Another Non-Restricted option if you want to stay with 5.56 is the Robarms M96 Expeditionary rifle..............I loved mine, but they are out of production so you would have to be patient and look for a used one.............I would love to find another one........
If you want 7.62, the Norinco M305/M14 is a great deal at $400.00 and can be made to be very accurate (0.0 to 0.25 MOA) depending on how much money you want to spend.It is more accurate then the SKS or CZs........
It is worth mentioning the M14 variants here, since the OP did not clearly say it has to be an AR, though he talked alot about AR. I am on a similar quest.
I have concluded that I will eventually need two different NR rifles:
A .223 AR, probably the Swiss, but maybe a different one.
A .308 rifle, which will probably wind up being an M1A/M14, but I might go for a bolt action .308 variant
The question now is really whether it will be exactly those, and the big question, which comes first
OH the pain of limited budgets.
The RA XCR is interesting if you got a kit you could flip between .223 and .308, and people who own it seem to like it. I am not as drawn to this option because, unlike the above two options, no army in the world has ever fielded a RA XCR so it is not as "proven" as many of the other options on this thread.
The M14 is not so much "tacticool" as it is just a very classic military look. Right now I am leaning towards starting with the SA mostly because the .223 ammo is cheaper.
I have concluded that I will eventually need two different NR rifles:
A .223 AR, probably the Swiss, but maybe a different one.
A .308 rifle, which will probably wind up being an M1A/M14, but I might go for a bolt action .308 variant
The question now is really whether it will be exactly those, and the big question, which comes first
OH the pain of limited budgets.The RA XCR is interesting if you got a kit you could flip between .223 and .308, and people who own it seem to like it. I am not as drawn to this option because, unlike the above two options, no army in the world has ever fielded a RA XCR so it is not as "proven" as many of the other options on this thread.
The M14 is not so much "tacticool" as it is just a very classic military look. Right now I am leaning towards starting with the SA mostly because the .223 ammo is cheaper.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Your best choices are a Swiss Arms or HK SL8.
