ACOGs on hunting rifles

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I was wonderring why we don't see more ACOG style sights on hunting rifles? Seems to me that the qualities that make ACOGs the preferred combat sight would also serve well on a woodland deer gun. But we continue to put long tubes on top of our deer rifles.
 
Interesting question... and I think you're onto something...

Maybe the lack of mounting options? I would guess the ACOG would sit PRETTY high on some base combos...
 
I can tell you that if you plan to shoot past 150 yrds, 3-9x scope is probably a better choice.

With ACOG, the main advantage is that you can shoot with both eyes
open, even as you raise your gun (not recommended, but it is possible, think
Iraq). Also, with ACOG the chances of wounding a 20" wide subject at 200 yrds are very high.

I think for longer distances you need a good 9x scope to make sure you
hit the animal where you want it.

If you do your hunting from 50-100 yrds, ACOG might have an advantage
as you will be able to engage the target in 1-2 seconds. Usually you just
raise your gun and you are ready to place your shots on target.
Always on, illuminated chevron speeds things up quite a bit.
 
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af_newbie said:
I have 3.5 X ACOG on my M14. I can tell you that if you plan to shoot past 150 yrds, 3-9x scope is probably a better choice.

With ACOG, the main advantage is that you can shoot with both eyes
open, even as you raise your gun (not recommended, but it is possible, think
Iraq). Also, with ACOG the chances of wounding a 20" wide subject at 200 yrds are very high.

I think for longer distances you need a good 9x scope to make sure you
hit the animal where you want it.

If you do your hunting from 50-100 yrds, ACOG might have an advantage
as you will be able to engage the target in 1-2 seconds. Usually you just
raise your gun and you are ready to place your shots on target.
Always on, illuminated chevron speeds things up quite a bit.
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Sorry partner, but I disagree whole heartedly about needing 9x to hit accurately at long distances(200+). Now I have ZERO experience with an ACOG, but I do hav experience with older 2 MOA dot 2.5x and 4x hunting scopes. I can tell you right now that I can hit 10" gongs 99.9% of the time out to 400yds off of shooting sticks with a hunting rifle off of either of those. And if you were to give me a cross hair in a 4x I can finish the last 0.1%. Jack O'Connor also used low powered dot reticled scopes while hunting, and I can think of three of his animals he shot with a dot over 300yds (an elk, oryx, and a ram).
Try peep sights with heavy beads or posts some time.
The benefit of the dot style illuminated reticles, like the ACOG, is quick sight acquisition, but that doesn't mean reasonably fine shooting can't be done with one. You just have to practice with it, and learn to use it.
 
ninepointer said:
I was wonderring why we don't see more ACOG style sights on hunting rifles? Seems to me that the qualities that make ACOGs the preferred combat sight would also serve well on a woodland deer gun. But we continue to put long tubes on top of our deer rifles.
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I believe the answer to your question to be...because they look like sh_t!
And since hunting firearms are generally very personal we do tend to be somewhat picky as to what we adorn them with.
J Stuart.
 
J Stuart said:
I believe the answer to your question to be...because they look like sh_t!
And since hunting firearms are generally very personal we do tend to be somewhat picky as to what we adorn them with.
J Stuart.
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I thought of that, but that's the same reason they said synthetic stocks would never catch on.
 
ninepointer said:
Seems to me that the qualities that make ACOGs the preferred combat sight would also serve well on a woodland deer gun. But we continue to put long tubes on top of our deer rifles.
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lets see, just a few.....


deer don;t shoot back, so there really is no reason for a "combat" sight on a hunting rifle. ;)

I'd rather not look like a mall ninja or rambo fudd

they are expensive

a 2-7x33 gives me more options.
 
rem338win said:
Sorry partner, but I disagree whole heartedly about needing 9x to hit accurately at long distances(200+). Now I have ZERO experience with an ACOG, but I do hav experience with older 2 MOA dot 2.5x and 4x hunting scopes. I can tell you right now that I can hit 10" gongs 99.9% of the time out to 400yds off of shooting sticks with a hunting rifle off of either of those. And if you were to give me a cross hair in a 4x I can finish the last 0.1%. Jack O'Connor also used low powered dot reticled scopes while hunting, and I can think of three of his animals he shot with a dot over 300yds (an elk, oryx, and a ram).
Try peep sights with heavy beads or posts some time.
The benefit of the dot style illuminated reticles, like the ACOG, is quick sight acquisition, but that doesn't mean reasonably fine shooting can't be done with one. You just have to practice with it, and learn to use it.
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You must be an exceptional shooter. I can't hit a 2" black circle with 2.5x
magnification at 100 yards. 99.9%, wow? You are a sniper.

Most hunters want to kill animal quickly, so I always recommend for new
hunters either to get closer and make sure you hit them in the center of the
target zone, or get a better scope to make sure you hit them where they
need to be hit.

There is a big difference when you sit in your hut and shoot from a bench,
and when you move through an open field (with grass up to your chest)
and you see the animal 200 yrds away and have 5 seconds to complete the
shot. Assuming you decide to take the shot from that distance.
 
af_newbie said:
You must be an exceptional shooter. I can't hit a 2" black circle with 2.5x
magnification at 100 yards. 99.9%, wow? You are a sniper.
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must be a "sniper" too. 2" groups are very doable with a 2.5X at 100yrds. I shoo 6" gongs all the time at 200yrds with my 3x. whoopy do.


200yrds and 5 secs to shoot and then you want to debate ethical clean kills?


if you're 200yrds away you should have tons of time to set up for a shot. if you don;t work on your stalking or get out of the truck a little earlier.

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You must be an exceptional shooter. I can't hit a 2" black circle with 2.5x
magnification at 100 yards. 99.9%, wow? You are a sniper.
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No, I am no sniper, just experienced. And I have made <2" groups at 100yds with open sights. You just need to put a few thousand rounds down range to accomplish this.
Most hunters want to kill animal quickly, so I always recommend for new
hunters either to get closer and make sure you hit them in the center of the
target zone, or get a better scope to make sure you hit them where they
need to be hit.
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Your recommendations are not incorrect, they should be second to practice, and more practice. Your sight system is not a crutch for a lack of practice. With the right rifle and my trusty shooting sticks, I would have few qualms about using a good peep set up out to 300yds. Why, because I practice.

There is a big difference when you sit in your hut and shoot from a bench,
and when you move through an open field (with grass up to your chest)
and you see the animal 200 yrds away and have 5 seconds to complete the
shot. Assuming you decide to take the shot from that distance.
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There sure is, and that is why I made sure you understood that I use my shooting sticks (the same ones that I always use int he field) for all of these shooting "feats". That means I am in field positions. And If I see an animal at 200yds and only have 5 seconds, we're eating steaks baby!
This is because I practice time drills, offhand at 100yds constantly (3 seconds) at pie plates. Try them they are great!
 
af_newbie said:
You must be an exceptional shooter. I can't hit a 2" black circle with 2.5x
magnification at 100 yards. 99.9%, wow? You are a sniper.

Most hunters want to kill animal quickly, so I always recommend for new
hunters either to get closer and make sure you hit them in the center of the
target zone, or get a better scope to make sure you hit them where they
need to be hit.

There is a big difference when you sit in your hut and shoot from a bench,
and when you move through an open field (with grass up to your chest)
and you see the animal 200 yrds away and have 5 seconds to complete the
shot. Assuming you decide to take the shot from that distance.
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wow you suck shooting..practice more please:pirate::evil:
 
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