ACR vs XCR: comparison video series.
- Thread starter Hoplite Tactical Supplies
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I sat down with another CGN-er on a few occasions (him having spent far more trigger time on various platforms including the ACR and XCR) and his findings are the pencil barrels groups spread considerably as the barrel heats up.
Personally, I like the SS barrels as they are not as prone to heat and temperature in a heavy profile.
More front heavy, but I'll take the extra bump in consistency.
Fair enough. Any time you go with a pencil barrel it definitely will lose accuracy as it heats up. I just cant stand the front heaviness with the heavy profile barrel, it drives me bonkers. It is why I currently don't own either of these rifles and have moved on to test other platforms out. If only our laws weren't so silly I could have a heavy profile 14 inch barrel and shoot it in the bush.
Grouping is grouping. Not sure how big a play the bushes had after several sets of groups. That wasn't on camera.
I don't hate the XCR it's just that in my opinion after shooting all but the keymod gen of XCR and owning an ACR I feel that the ACR is a better rifle and I would pick it over the XCR every time.
Everyone else is free to like whatever they like but if someone comes on and says they like the XCR better I question if they've ever handled and shot an ACR or really any other black rifle. Personally I feel my Armalite AR-180B is a better rifle than the XCR as well. I just love that rifle
I say buy whatever you like and can afford, as long as a guy or gal owns something that looks scary and pis$es off an anti I'm happy.
Those are great video and honest conclusion. As I was researching NR black rifles topic to get myself one, video series conclusions were in line with mine. Both rifles not worth it and there is no decent NR AR lookish rifle in Canada. With non AR being gremlin populated cz/vzs, questionable quality chinese bullpups and me hating bullpups in general even reliable but plastic tavors don't attract me. It looks I'll have to get into restricted AR game.
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If you're looking for more accuracy then look at the HK SL8 series, I've owned 2 of them and both were capable of shooting 1 moa with the right ammo. My second one had the Hera Arms lower which gave it much nicer ergonomics. They are heavy but that's hard to avoid with a factory Lothar Walther match barrel.
My experience with the ACR is with aftermarket custom non restricted barrels and my 300 Blackout conversion has shot 0.9 moa groups. I just got a new 223 non restricted barrel and haven't put enough rounds through it to see what it will do.
Personally though as much as I like my semi auto's to shoot little groups I don't care all that much because most of my shooting with them is with AE bulk 55gr. I don't have the time to load enough to feed all my semi's so the handloads are only for special occasions. When I want to shoot small groups I take my bolt action 223 or 300 Blackout. If you're shooting little groups the need for a fast followup shot is less important.
Nothing wrong with just going with an AR though, I have 3 of them and love them. If being non restricted doesn't matter then the AR is the best rifle we have access to as far as I'm concerned.
Yes, the front heavy is starting to drive me mad, but it's also encouraging me to work out more so I can 3 gun with it more readily, so I have that going for me, which is nice
Perfect example of focus driven purchasing! I wish I had such focus instead of being a gear whore 99.9% of the time.
I prefer the consistency as I am doing lots of shooting (and plan to do more) in local 3 gun when I get the opportunity. That way, all I can blame is myself if I miss!.
If you are refering to me, I never said I did not like the XCR, for my needs, light profile barrels do not fit with my own ideals.
Why is it that XCR owners always get all sensitive and bunched up when people talk anything about an XCR?. It's not always about you and your XCR.
But I digress, I would still like to see some close up video of the induced failures. I am a curious sort that way.
For me, it is the hunting that drives my accuracy goal.
For example, if I have NR MOA rifle at the range, in the real world hunting scenarios that turns to 3-4 moa in the field (bad shooting position, buck fever, poor weather, terrain, exhaustion, etc) now at 200yds that is possibly 6-8" spread.
Now if I started with a rifle that could only print 2-3 moa under controlled range conditions and at a rest, my chances of a miss or wounding shot become very high and that is just unacceptable to me, the animals I hunt deserve my best.
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I think you mean 6-8 inches not MOA at 200 yards.
3-4 MOA is 3-4 MOA at any range. It happens to work out to 3-4 inches at 100yards and 6-8 inches at 200 yards, 12-16 inches at 400 yards, etc., but it is always 3-4 MOA.
you dont seem to understand how moa works
already edited, wrote MOA instead of inches. My fault for a poorly written post
If you can maintain the 1moa accuracy of a rifle at the range under controlled conditions to every variable you may encounter in the field while hunting live animals ever, you are a better man than I.
In many instances I would say I can maintain that same accuracy level, but there is always variables you did not plan for when it comes to hunting so I have to assume a margin of error on the shooters part. Poor shooting position, field conditions, weather, angle, adrenaline, other hunters, etc all play in to your ability to attain that 1moa accuracy you and your rifle are capable of under controlled conditions
Sure the gun will still have the same accuracy as it did before when you get it back to the range and locked down on a bench/sled/bags (whatever you did before provided it was not damaged during the hunt) but that is not what I was discussing. I have seen people shoot very well at the range and not able to hit a thing when it comes to hunting, something to consider when looking at accuracy of a rifle for hunting.
If you start out with a 2 or 3 moa rifle with perfect range conditions and then factor in the less than perfect conditions at 200yds, the chances of a miss or wounding shot are far greater than if you instead brought a rifle you can get 1 moa groups out of in those same perfect range conditions
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And that right there is the mistake they make, they should not use that sh!t. Train for the conditions you will encounter, f-ing sandbags and benches don't occur in nature.
I can't count how many times I see hunters at the range practicing, sitting at a bench with a lead sled, makes me shake my head. Practice shooting prone, practice sitting, practice sitting with shooting sticks, you should be comfortable shooting in places where you have to shoot over vegetation, practice standing, leaning against a post (tree). Makes me feel sad for all the poor deer that get shot in the a$$ by numptys.
The truth has been spoken! ^ but then they say " oh you need accuracy, why dont you buy a bolt action then" , have fun trying to drop 3 running coyotes with your bolt action lol
