Act of Valor

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Has anyone seen the movie Act of Valor? I thought it was very well made considering real active duty Operators being used as well as live fire. I noticed that each guy had a different optics system on their M4. Which brings me to my next question, what would be the typical M4 manufacture used by the Seals? Colt, DPMS, etc...I'm sure the Navy has a quality control system.

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An observation: the M4 were always used in semi-auto, never in full auto.
That really got my attention since I saw a SEAL team demo 25 years ago and they were blasting in full auto all the way (with short M16s and Stoner LMG)!

I guess that US Goverment can't afford the ammo anymore.

Alex
 
AlexF said:
(with short M16s and Stoner LMG)!
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That must've been awesome for the inner gun nut in us all. :D

As for the movie... well, the first scene with the boats and miniguns was awesome but the movie itself... there is no word for how sh***y I thought it was.
 
AlexF said:
An observation: the M4 were always used in semi-auto, never in full auto.
That really got my attention since I saw a SEAL team demo 25 years ago and they were blasting in full auto all the way (with short M16s and Stoner LMG)!

I guess that US Goverment can't afford the ammo anymore.

Alex
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That's the difference.

These days you are responsible for EVERY single bullet you throw out, and modern professional soldiers and special force soldiers are much more precise than what they were 25 years ago.

Pretty much every military guy I've talked to in the CF (from basic infantry to guys with jump wings with Afghanistan tours under their belts) do semi-auto with double taps.

Full auto is almost completely impractical unless you're trying to suppress and enemy AKA an LMG or other area weapon. When you go into a combat zone you don't have unlimited ammo, so you want to use the fewest rounds you can to eliminate the threats. Why use 10 or 15 rounds to kill a bad guy when 3 rounds in a mozambique drill does the exact same thing, and quicker?
 
I thought it demonstrated a 1st person style view of many real life scenarios they encounter during real operations...it was done very well and I enjoyed it!
 
Absolute garbage IMO. As someone else mentioned the boat scene with the mini guns was about all it had going for it. Should have made a 10 min youtube video and left it alone.

Typical American propaganda formula.....

Lose a war - make a Rambo that says they always win.

Forgot to mention. there are standard issue weapons for those guys but SOCOM can use whatever they want if it works for them.
 
TV-PressPass said:
I hated the fact that they never turned on their eotechs through that whole f**king movie.

And used red lasers with their night vision. IR exists for a reason!
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Broom Stick that VFG Brah! I wonder if the seals still actually do that or have the learned the more effective hand positioning?
 
F22_RaptoR said:
That's the difference.

These days you are responsible for EVERY single bullet you throw out, and modern professional soldiers and special force soldiers are much more precise than what they were 25 years ago.

Pretty much every military guy I've talked to in the CF (from basic infantry to guys with jump wings with Afghanistan tours under their belts) do semi-auto with double taps.

Full auto is almost completely impractical unless you're trying to suppress and enemy AKA an LMG or other area weapon. When you go into a combat zone you don't have unlimited ammo, so you want to use the fewest rounds you can to eliminate the threats. Why use 10 or 15 rounds to kill a bad guy when 3 rounds in a mozambique drill does the exact same thing, and quicker?
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You also need to carry your own ammo as well and don't want to run out.
 
D 23 said:
Absolute garbage IMO. As someone else mentioned the boat scene with the mini guns was about all it had going for it. Should have made a 10 min youtube video and left it alone.

Typical American propaganda formula.....

Lose a war - make a Rambo that says they always win.

Forgot to mention. there are standard issue weapons for those guys but SOCOM can use whatever they want if it works for them.
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The standard issue rifle is the mk18, they can not use "whatever" they want. Have in certain situations guys used other rifles yes but the Daniel Defense mk18 has become the staple of American SF. 416's for CAG and D-Boys.


FoxAlpha said:
I loved the movie. Although I found the ending "frag" scene to be pretty cliche. But still.....loved it.
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Michael Monsoor not so cliche.
 
F22_RaptoR said:
That's the difference.

These days you are responsible for EVERY single bullet you throw out, and modern professional soldiers and special force soldiers are much more precise than what they were 25 years ago.

Pretty much every military guy I've talked to in the CF (from basic infantry to guys with jump wings with Afghanistan tours under their belts) do semi-auto with double taps.

Full auto is almost completely impractical unless you're trying to suppress and enemy AKA an LMG or other area weapon. When you go into a combat zone you don't have unlimited ammo, so you want to use the fewest rounds you can to eliminate the threats. Why use 10 or 15 rounds to kill a bad guy when 3 rounds in a mozambique drill does the exact same thing, and quicker?
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That's interesting, but I suspected as much from a lot of the stuff I've read. So in reality, FA has very few practical applications (other than suppressing fire or sh*ts and giggles). It really begs the question why we have such a hard-on for it... I'd rather see an integrated ATT/no shooting restrictions, full magazine capacity and the ability to use suppressors. But that's just me...

I enjoyed the movie too, btw.
 
blaxsun said:
That's interesting, but I suspected as much from a lot of the stuff I've read. So in reality, FA has very few practical applications (other than suppressing fire or sh*ts and giggles). It really begs the question why we have such a hard-on for it... I'd rather see an integrated ATT/no shooting restrictions, full magazine capacity and the ability to use suppressors. But that's just me...

I enjoyed the movie too, btw.
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FA will always have a role in FIBUA, including room clearing.

And it has always been portrayed in movies far more than it has ever been actually used in real life.
 
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