Active-shooter Rapid -responce Lessons to learn

mildot said:
I agree and well said, it's seems like a "systemic" funding problem with both the RCMP and the Army, and often, more times than not, they are asked to do the "heavy lifting". I'm not going to engage in an "arm chair" critique, however I do have some knowledge on some of the topics discussed here. I hope that sooner, rather than later, the average person realizes that taking a "politician" at there word is form of denial, we live in a very different world than 20yrs ago.
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...... The question which I doubt any one Politician really wants to address, is just how many RCMP Members were on the road or even on shift, covering this whole area?.... My guess would be very F...... Few! .....How long does it take to round up enough Officers from a deep sleep or days off to deal with this scenario? Again a guess on my part, but I think, overall, the response time was pretty good, once the "problem was identified"! ...... David K
 
David K said:
...... The question which I doubt any one Politician really wants to address, is just how many RCMP Members were on the road or even on shift, covering this whole area?.... My guess would be very F...... Few! .....How long does it take to round up enough Officers from a deep sleep or days off to deal with this scenario? Again a guess on my part, but I think, overall, the response time was pretty good, once the "problem was identified"! ...... David K
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Questions that won't be asked unfortunately, I'm wondering why they don't test a drone, something that could be launched by someone low on the "chain", with today's technology I'm sure having an "eye in the sky" may have proved useful? and they could also use it for SAR in these rural communities?
 
What I find is the same thing happens over and over and in the majority of the cases the person involved had no Pal no right to have firearms or was using a weapon already illegal in Canada

And their response is always the same ----- Pass more gun laws when in reality they cant enforce the ones we have

Dave
 
astuart44 said:
I find it interesting that some people on this forum are quick to bash the RCMP, when in fact, it was them who eliminated the threat. Can we learn something here in terms of the failure to send out an Amber Alert? Absolutely. This is rural NS, and not downtown LA, where these officers may very well have been overwhelmed with the amount of destruction this maniac caused. Show some respect and wait for the facts before you pretend to know what actually took place at the fire hall. Or, get of your ass and apply, and show us all how it's done.
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Many of the members posting on this forum are current, or retired police officers, including the OP. It's unfortunate that when criticizing the RCMP as an organization the individual officers get painted with the same brush as their management. I have worked with and continue to work with RCMP officers who are absolutely the finest human beings. But when compared to a well funded municipal police agency they often pale in comparison in terms of equipment, resources and training. This is not the fault of the individual officers, but the Federal government and the RCMP, turned politicians who promote into the bureaucracy and forget where they came from. All of the facts won't be available for some time, but I draw upon my frustration after Mayerthorpe AB, Moncton NB, and now Nova Scotia. The RCMP's moto should be "More with less," it's absolutely appropriate. They are less paid, less equipped, less staffed and less trained than their big city counterparts.
 
FyreFighter said:
What they see are federal officers who (likely) graduated university, and who passed screening interviews, stringent background checks, psychological screening, use of force training, weapons training, all the training offered at Depot, weapons requalification, and who likely passed their annual performance evals shooting at a building full of civilians for no apparent reason...

You'll recall the experiment where one student was "the good guy with the gun" in a college class that had an active shooter. If I recall the results the good guy killed exactly no bad guys, got killed every time, and more than once shot a good guy. No thanks.
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In that "experiment" the shooter knew who had the gun every time...

Also, ideally more then 1 person is armed...at least there is a change/hope to stop it, people are gonna be shot when those attacks happen and they only stop once the attack is shot or offs themself ao again...something beats nothing.

..even knowing that people are legally packing stops a lot of would be from attacking others.
 
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OkayShooter said:
If police made a mistake and shot at their own. In the heat of the moment. You think someone that un trained, isn't gonna mess up? You start having people running around with guns playing hero, while a active moving shooter is loose. It's gonna make the situation much worse. Because officers may mistake the law abiding as the suspect. So someone with good intention may end up as a victim.

This situation it probably would have done more harm than good.
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They can stay indoors, defend their home quickly and effectively.
 
FyreFighter said:
Two words: Philando Castile. "Good guy with a gun", shot by another (probably more nervous) "good guy with a gun...under no more stress than found in a typical traffic stop.
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And 1000s of shootings and attacks are stopped yearlh...some without even pulling the trigger. Look at the recent church shooting stopped by the old man with a Sig.

Thanks for your ONE example tho chief. Sell your guns, you clearly dislike them.
 
All it takes for this to happen again is for another lunatic to obtain illegal gun and go for another killing spree, Canadians are so laughably easy pickings, literally sitting ducks for killers to take down, as many as they wish or their ammo runs out. We aren't allowed to defend ourselves, it's illegal, it's against the law to protect yourself and your loved ones. Canadian laws pretty much side with criminal. Right to life is only secondary to safety of the criminal, go ahead and try to protect yourself and (god forbid) kill the perpetrator and you will end up in pre-trial centre locked up for months, lose your job, reputation and good standing as a citizen while having to sell all you have to afford a lawyer to get you out of the mess. Die as a victim and you will be praised, honored and remembered as a good victim who lost his life to "gun violence". So, communists will attack law abiding citizens either way, if a person dies a victim or he defends his life and his loved ones. What a disgusting and wretched politics...
 
dose said:
Because the 99.99 % of the time an officer is doing their daily run of the mill work like traffic enforcement, report taking, community meetings, the unaware public often complains about the "military like" and "aggressive" dress and armament of officers. Look at the way the public complained in Toronto when the patrol cars were changed to grey- "Too aggressive " they said. That is the kind of issue that upper brass worries about more than plates and rifles. Sad but true.

While in theory it would be nice if all officers could be trained up to a higher tactical standard, be nice and community friendly for 99% of the time and then flip the switch when its go time, it is very unrealistic to expect that. This is amplified when you have small town RCMP cops who can go years before they get a hot call like this. This is one reason when there is a bad shooting in rural areas it is often a difficult situation for the RCMP. . The cops are simply more practiced in a different style of policing. Big city cops are used to dealing with gun calls and large events.

Many people on this board have no idea with the day to day realities of policing. How mundane and administrative it can be, and how it differs from what people think it is like. How many cops make a careers out of being community, fund raising charity types. The "rough and tough " cop is something top brass wants to believe is not needed, and shooting like N.S are the result.

The reality is if front line patrol cops were going around day to day carrying carbines, lvl 4 plates, and ops core helmets, the public and many on this board who be crying about the militant police state. It is necessary to question and examine the shooting in NS to see what can be improved, but I see many members of the public assume they know far more about policing then they actually do. Most have no idea.
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......... In general the Public, as you've pointed out, really have no idea what Policing actually involves...... A lot of routine and paperwork,periods of boredom and incidents of absolute confusion. And there's always the element of the unknown, and fear that has to be suppressed and dealt with. And sights that no normal person should ever have to see, let alone deal with....... As a personal note, although I recognize that the more military styled uniforms are practical, I much prefer the more traditional styled uniforms as Officers are "Peace Officers" first and foremost. ....... David K
 
David K said:
......... In general the Public, as you've pointed out, really have no idea what Policing actually involves...... A lot of routine and paperwork,periods of boredom and incidents of absolute confusion. And there's always the element of the unknown, and fear that has to be suppressed and dealt with. And sights that no normal person should ever have to see, let alone deal with....... As a personal note, although I recognize that the more military styled uniforms are practical, I much prefer the more traditional styled uniforms as Officers are "Peace Officers" first and foremost. ....... David K
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Hey David K. Police don't have time to change uniforms between keeping the peace and stopping armed murderers.
 
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