Advantages and Disadvantages of P14 and P17 actions

I have had 8 P17/14's built over the recent years with several in the hands of CGN members now. As a surplus action, I would rate them tops for building a boomer. They are a very strong but heavy action so no mountain rifles here. The bolt moves with way less slop then the usual Mauser and can be as smooth as any custom rifle. It has a very unique bolt lug, sort of like a screw. Lock up is very tight and secure.

Control fed but can be adapted to push feed. They don't like sharp shouldered wildcats like the AI feeding from the mag, but any factory sloped case feeds very well. Most of the time I just single feed.

I convert most to #### on opening with a speedlock set up. Pretty much the same lock time as your average commercial action. I change to Timney triggers and these can be lightened right down if desired. My present cast rifle is in the ounces.

These actions make very accurate rifles having had several that would shoot in the 2's and 3's (inside 1" at 250yds). They won't be much use for BR rifles but LR hunting and varminting rifles, ideal.

Just look for the BSA sporterised actions for around $100 to 150 at most gunshows. All the hard work is done and some even have decent barrels that can be used as is. Lots of aftermarket stuff like stocks still available.

I have really enjoyed my time with them and have three more to use. Two cannons and one cast bullet BR rifle.

If all you want is 1/3MOA or better performance and no lightweight, these are ideal.

Jerry
 
I don;t know where you guys are getting this...??? The Mauser action is designed to allow gas to blow through the firing pin hol in the bolt and is directed down into the magazine where it either expands into acceptable levels, or blows out the floorplate. IMHO this is an adequate outcome to some Darwin award winning wannabe who's using loads big enough to cause the problem in the forst place ;)

The P14/M1917 has the SAME gas handling system as the Mauser 98, only the deflector sheild on the bolt shroud is smaller on the P14/M1917. Still works though.
 
mysticplayer said:
The bolt moves with way less slop then the usual Mauser

First off, the P14/M17 is a mauser aside from being ####-on-close. Secondly, a nice Mauser has virtually NO slop. Methinks you have too much experience with late-war K98's, Spanish Mausers and the like. Try cycling a matching pre-ww1 mauser. No slop there!

The M1917/P14 IS a fine choice for building a big game rifle though. The Mauser is too, so long as you don't use too long a case ;)
 
Claven2, absolutely on the mark. My experience are WWII and later war time actions. They worked but sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. I guess it work well if things got really mucky though.

1899, P14 mags are set up for the 3030Brit so max OAL is defined by that cartridge. The P17 mag is longer and there are H&H length mags that can be bought. Milling of the action would need to be done though.

These enfields were made into African monster stoppers so long, wide, big bore cases can be made to fit. I have one in a 450 Alaskan that is still needing a stock to get finished. Should get around 85 to 90% of a 458Win mag if loaded to the nuts. OUCH...

Properly plink with it at 45-70 BP loads. Time, time, time...

Jerry
 
Here's a couple of action profiles.The top one is a P14, Bevan King profile & barrel.
The second is a high grade M 17 by BSA.

close up P14

close up M17
 
While I don't really think the P14/17 actions are anything special, they are usable and a good basis if one wants to practice gunsmithing.
They have a couple of features which may or may not be beneficial. They have square threads. A well fitted square thread may offer greater lateral stability if that's a concern.
They have angled locking lugs and seats. This makes remachining of the seats difficult enough that I've never cared to try it. The advantage to this is that the lug moves away from the seat immediately when the bolt handle is lifted. this eases opening.
I have one match rifle on an enfield which shoots very well and a sporter which I should finish before I die. Regards, Bill.
 
Farmnut; It isn't worth making an issue of :D Most will lump the P14/M17 into a common group, despite the difference in chambering/designation. Relax, Relax. Life is too short, even if these have a special place in your heart. :lol: :lol: Just pullin' your chain! EE.
 
downwindtracker2 said:
P.O.Ackley did a series of test on various actions by over loading them. When the case lets go the gases blow through the action.The P-14 design doesn't shield the shooter as well as other designs. Montana were quite careful with their design,making improvements over the "classic" M-70,which was a improvement over the pre-64 M-70 for gas handling.


I can attest to this. My right eye don't work real good for the past 3 or 4 years :cry: Gas blows back really sucks, as does pieces of brass in your cornea.
 
I thought you guys might like to see what some are doing with P14/17 Enfields. The first are my project 500 Jefferies in progress. The later pictures are some 500 Jefferies and 416 Rigby that Darcy Echols has build. These rifles have alot of potential and it shows that there is some serious coin being put into these projects, I think they are beautiful.
Enjoy
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Farmnut; It isn't worth making an issue of Most will lump the P14/M17 into a common group, despite the difference in chambering/designation. Relax, Relax. Life is too short, even if these have a special place in your heart. Laughing Laughing Just pullin' your chain! EE
Can't help myself.
When it comes to the subject I am sort of Anal. :cry:
 
Bigbull
This is just a suggestion not a criticisim. If you relieve the area just behind the tang you will not have a problem with splitting or chipping down the road.This is mostly a problem with big mags and boomers like yours. Proper bedding helps but on a boomer I wouldn't take a chance. Call this personal experience :oops:
Rich
 
RR said:
Bigbull
This is just a suggestion not a criticisim. If you relieve the area just behind the tang you will not have a problem with splitting or chipping down the road.This is mostly a problem with big mags and boomers like yours. Proper bedding helps but on a boomer I wouldn't take a chance. Call this personal experience :oops:
Rich
Thanks Rich, relieving the wood behind the tang is a must do, especially on heavy recoiling rifles, I agree. The reason I have not done it yet is because I want to blend the tang metal with the wood perfectly before relieving otherwise you will round off the edge. Thanks for the tip.

Dan I think you may be right about Burgess having his handiwork in the Enfield rifle(s), I can't remember the whole history but I have more pictures of these rifles and can't get over what these craftsmen achieve with these old war relics, very impressive!
bigbull
 
aftermarket stocks

Outside of custom stocks, do any widely available aftermarket stocks fit sporterized P17's. Possibly one meant for a remington action???

Thanks for any reply's
 
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