Advice on my first AR
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I boo booed and wrote in your quote lines above.^^^
As for babying a firearm, you cannot presume to speak for others here. It is only your opinion and choice. I have a Glock and my ARs that I shoot, train and compete with. I do not baby these guns. They are worn and scratched but I still clean and maintain them religiously. However, I also have nice blued safe queens and older guns that just look nice. By your definition of "any firearm to baby", you would have someone abuse a Korth or a H&H double barrel or they must "re-evaluate what (they) are doing? That is hardly a fair statement. Some firearms are jewels, others are not.
As for the building our ranks as an excuse for buying inferior products, you will make friends with this statement. ( and I know you really don't care also) Some people can only afford what they can afford. Cheap ammo and cheap guns have their allure and place. Don't denigrate people if they want a Norc, Tok, S&W, SKS or NEA. It's the best they can afford and more power to them for getting one. The OP with his $3000 budget is obviously not in this category.
Here's the olive branch Kidd X, for him, I will totally agree with your choices. Like I said, I've always appreciated your knowledge here, if not your delivery!
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I boo booed and wrote in your quote lines above.^^^
As for babying a firearm, you cannot presume to speak for others here. It is only your opinion and choice. I have a Glock and my ARs that I shoot, train and compete with. I do not baby these guns. They are worn and scratched but I still clean and maintain them religiously. However, I also have nice blued safe queens and older guns that just look nice. By your definition of "any firearm to baby", you would have someone abuse a Korth or a H&H double barrel or they must "re-evaluate what (they) are doing? That is hardly a fair statement. Some firearms are jewels, others are not.
As for the building our ranks as an excuse for buying inferior products, you will make friends with this statement. ( and I know you really don't care also) Some people can only afford what they can afford. Cheap ammo and cheap guns have their allure and place. Don't denigrate people if they want a Norc, Tok, S&W, SKS or NEA. It's the best they can afford and more power to them for getting one. The OP with his $3000 budget is obviously not in this category.
Here's the olive branch Kidd X, for him, I will totally agree with your choices. Like I said, I've always appreciated your knowledge here, if not your delivery!
I'm all for proper maintenance and care but if you simply keep your firearms locked up and only ever fondle them then yes you need to re evaluate what you're doing. By all means don't unnecessarily scratch or ding your guns but if it happens during use then it's perfectly acceptable. Nothing remains pristine forever if it's used as intended. I would walk the field with an H&H and blacken the cylinder on a Korth like I would any shotgun or revolver.
Being able to "afford" something is a double edged sword. I've posted this before but I will post it again. A "budget" is a set amount of money over a set period of time. Either increase the amount of money or increase the amount of time and you will have more money to spend. Saving over a longer period of time is an option but it takes more time, sometimes a lot more time but it is an option. Income is generally quite fixed for most of us so the only way to increase the amount of money is to reallocate your priorities. That is stop wasting money on other hobbies, vices, or similar silly expenditures and focus your efforts and spare money on something you really want. I've seen endless people at the range admit they would like better optics or a better rifle then walk off for a smoke break.... The answer is literally hanging out of their mouth. Similar folks complain about low "budget" then show me the newest phone they just got. It's about priorities and sadly most don't see quality products(of any sort) a priority over smoking, drinking, phones, video games, dabbling in half a dozen activities instead of focusing on one or two. It's not the "budget" that's the problem, it's the priorities. Only person to blame for having low end kit is yourself..
Just a quick thought exercise. Who do you think people envy more, the guy with a half dozen SKS rifles and a matching number of Norc pistols. Or the guy with a Knights AR with Aimpoint and a matching Wilson Combat 1911??
No one envies a boat load of cheap surplus rifles and cheap clones pistols...
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#Kidd X,
The way you made your original post sound, it was like a person had to put every gun they own through rough use. But if a high end engraved shotgun or revolver was scratched or lost some bluing from use over time, then I can accept that. However, there is still the category of gun owners who buy high end guns and never ever shoot them. Probably hand out silk gloves so their friends can handle them. These gun owners likely won’t need or care for your approval whether they should own or re-evaluate their ownership or use of their guns.
Using your example, what if a person really did save their pennies, doesn’t drink and doesn’t smoke. Saved for a year to afford a S&W or a NEA, would you still blame him for having low end kit? Or should he blame himself? Isn’t owning a gun and getting some training now better than saving for another year so he can get a CC or DD? I agree with you that some people do have their priorities wrong wrt to owning nice guns, but who are we to judge what their choices and priorities are? I think your opinion might be a bit elitist. There’s another thread here about a sub-$1000 AR and the S&W is getting overwhelming votes. You are correct...based on priorities, most people are not interested in dumping $3000 on a gun. The OP is, but most people are not.
As to the quick thought exercise, I personally have low interest in CommBloc guns. However, there are tons of people obsessed with the Tulas and Ishaveks, Yugos and Romanians and NK SKSs. Likely never shoot them but have a collection hoping they appreciate or to hand out to buddies if SHTF happens. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Those SKS fans may not give a hoot about a KAC rifle.
I believe you are again projecting here.
Personally, I would love a KAC but I’ll take my stock Glock over the WC 1911!
Believe me Kidd, I think a lot like you and I agree with your choice of guns and training . But I also believe that others are entitled to their opinions and we shouldn’t belittle them for it.
The way you made your original post sound, it was like a person had to put every gun they own through rough use. But if a high end engraved shotgun or revolver was scratched or lost some bluing from use over time, then I can accept that. However, there is still the category of gun owners who buy high end guns and never ever shoot them. Probably hand out silk gloves so their friends can handle them. These gun owners likely won’t need or care for your approval whether they should own or re-evaluate their ownership or use of their guns.
Using your example, what if a person really did save their pennies, doesn’t drink and doesn’t smoke. Saved for a year to afford a S&W or a NEA, would you still blame him for having low end kit? Or should he blame himself? Isn’t owning a gun and getting some training now better than saving for another year so he can get a CC or DD? I agree with you that some people do have their priorities wrong wrt to owning nice guns, but who are we to judge what their choices and priorities are? I think your opinion might be a bit elitist. There’s another thread here about a sub-$1000 AR and the S&W is getting overwhelming votes. You are correct...based on priorities, most people are not interested in dumping $3000 on a gun. The OP is, but most people are not.
As to the quick thought exercise, I personally have low interest in CommBloc guns. However, there are tons of people obsessed with the Tulas and Ishaveks, Yugos and Romanians and NK SKSs. Likely never shoot them but have a collection hoping they appreciate or to hand out to buddies if SHTF happens. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Those SKS fans may not give a hoot about a KAC rifle.
I believe you are again projecting here.
Personally, I would love a KAC but I’ll take my stock Glock over the WC 1911!
Believe me Kidd, I think a lot like you and I agree with your choice of guns and training . But I also believe that others are entitled to their opinions and we shouldn’t belittle them for it.
#Kidd X,
The way you made your original post sound, it was like a person had to put every gun they own through rough use. But if a high end engraved shotgun or revolver was scratched or lost some bluing from use over time, then I can accept that. However, there is still the category of gun owners who buy high end guns and never ever shoot them. Probably hand out silk gloves so their friends can handle them. These gun owners likely won’t need or care for your approval whether they should own or re-evaluate their ownership or use of their guns.
You're corect and I should have been more clear in my initial post regarding use and definitely not abuse. As for those who spend stupid money on a gun to never shoot it, it's their money but logic dictates that such actions are... Stupid. I couldn't care less what they think of myself or the sound logic of not wasting money on an ornament and I certainly have no interest in wasting time conversing with such folk. I'm a practical shooter and have no time for collectors.
Using your example, what if a person really did save their pennies, doesn’t drink and doesn’t smoke. Saved for a year to afford a S&W or a NEA, would you still blame him for having low end kit? Or should he blame himself? Isn’t owning a gun and getting some training now better than saving for another year so he can get a CC or DD? I agree with you that some people do have their priorities wrong wrt to owning nice guns, but who are we to judge what their choices and priorities are? I think your opinion might be a bit elitist. There’s another thread here about a sub-$1000 AR and the S&W is getting overwhelming votes. You are correct...based on priorities, most people are not interested in dumping $3000 on a gun. The OP is, but most people are not.
A decent AR can be had for around $1600 bucks, if you saved a measly $100 a month you could have the AR in less than two years. Or you could buy a low end rifle that has a high potential for failure which will cost you money you don't have to repair it. A broken or unreliable gun is worthless,
only the rich can afford to buy cheap, as they can afford to buy twice. Furthermore, if you can't afford a $1600 AR in a timely fashion after you've adjusted your priorities and saved your pennies then you can't afford to shoot it enough to be proficient, maintain that proficiency or afford training.
How many members here and those observed at the range have a half dozen rifles or more but only shoot once or twice a year because they "can't afford ammo".
Again the answer is right in front of them, sell half or more of the rifles you don't need or don't use and focus on one or two that you do. Try buying a rifle that serves multiple roles in a calibre appropriate for those roles. A guy on a super slim budget(without analyzing it) who has an SKS, 5 crates of ammo and shoots regularly is far better off than the guy who scrapes together for that AR and shoots 100 rounds a year. The guy who has half a dozen SKS rifles and never shoots them is simply cheating himself by believing that his rifles are somehow rare, collectible or that by simply owning them he is a "shooter". That same single SKS guy above would be better served with a VZ/CZ 58/858. Back in the day when they were reasonably priced they were the ticket, not so much now but it is still a vastly superior rifle. A guy can plink, hunt and compete with a VZ/CZ and do it on the cheap.
The point here is that an individual needs to seriously evaluate their NEEDS vs their WANTS and make some tough choices. Both in regards to financial priorities as well as gear selection. I would love to get into long range shooting but I simply can't afford $4000+ worth of rifle and optics to be competitive, nor do I have the time to invest in practice, training, and competing.
As to the quick thought exercise, I personally have low interest in CommBloc guns. However, there are tons of people obsessed with the Tulas and Ishaveks, Yugos and Romanians and NK SKSs. Likely never shoot them but have a collection hoping they appreciate or to hand out to buddies if SHTF happens. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Those SKS fans may not give a hoot about a KAC rifle.
I believe you are again projecting here.
Personally, I would love a KAC but I’ll take my stock Glock over the WC 1911!
Whether the commbloc fans care about KAC rifles or not they are a far superior option when it comes to competing or serving with it, that is a fact not an opinion. I'm only interested in facts and practical equipment. You are correct that beauty is to each their own, but beauty never won a match or a gunfight.. I also totally agree on a Glock over a WC 1911!!!
Believe me Kidd, I think a lot like you and I agree with your choice of guns and training . But I also believe that others are entitled to their opinions and we shouldn’t belittle them for it.
Again, I don't have any interest in opinions that aren't supported by facts. Opinions are like arguing that blue is better than red, there is no right answer as it is nothing but opinion. If people like inferior products or simply want a cheap AR offering to say they have one then drive on. Just don't go running your mouth about how it's "just as good as.." when it most definitely is not. An opinion is personal, making bold claims requires fact to support it.
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I mostly agree with what you have said. The green is a nice contrast color btw!
My thoughts on AR selection and training do coincide with yours.
However saying you have no time for collectors may be misleading. A lot of us, me included, have guns we barely use. I know people who are great shots and instructors who have guns they collect and never shoot. Not all collectors have guilded walls, sip cognac and smoke Havana cigars. Yet here you are, writing full proses to me so you actually have a little time for “ collectors”.
Saying a lower end gun has a high potential for failure is again misleading. Yes, I agree the lesser quality of a low end firearm increases the chance of failure but this statement has not been bourne out in my personal experience. Like I keep saying, you must be playing in a different sandbox than me. Civvies are not likely to train like Mil. Most ranges in Canada just won’t allow the type of training I think you’re talking about. Guys who train like you are not common. Most guys, at best, will practice mag changes, maybe some Type 2-3 clearing drills and call it done. I do believe that for these guys, a properly selected lower end AR like a S&W, Bushmaster, PSA or WW will be a fine gun. You are also right that if they can’t afford the gun, they likely can’t afford the training.
For all the praise of the SKS and cheap ammo and the fact that almost all gun owners have one, I’m surprised that they are not used more often in competition and training.
As to your needs vs. wants comment, what if we were talking about precision rifles now instead of high end ARs? You would have contradicted yourself. You say you can’t afford $4000+ worth of rifle, and no time to practice, train and compete. Yet you were criticizing some gun owners of not priorizing. If you truly want to do LR, you will make the time and effort, maybe sell a few guns or the TV to do it? Same thing, right? Priorities? I would posit that you actually don’t seriously want to do LR, just a passing interest.
Again, I am not belittling you. In fact, I had the same desire to do LR except I got the rig to do it, even the reloading equipment. But I found out I didn’t enjoy it and my eyesight issues made the whole point moot. What I do enjoy and make time for is competition and taking courses. I have to admit serious shooters who take courses do seem to run better equipment but then again, they do make the effort to train so their equipment and knowledge will support their gear selection.
And I would agree with your last two statements in green! As to beauty never won a match or a gunfight, I would disagree. A KAC or HK or MMR is a gorgeous rifle!
My thoughts on AR selection and training do coincide with yours.
However saying you have no time for collectors may be misleading. A lot of us, me included, have guns we barely use. I know people who are great shots and instructors who have guns they collect and never shoot. Not all collectors have guilded walls, sip cognac and smoke Havana cigars. Yet here you are, writing full proses to me so you actually have a little time for “ collectors”.
Saying a lower end gun has a high potential for failure is again misleading. Yes, I agree the lesser quality of a low end firearm increases the chance of failure but this statement has not been bourne out in my personal experience. Like I keep saying, you must be playing in a different sandbox than me. Civvies are not likely to train like Mil. Most ranges in Canada just won’t allow the type of training I think you’re talking about. Guys who train like you are not common. Most guys, at best, will practice mag changes, maybe some Type 2-3 clearing drills and call it done. I do believe that for these guys, a properly selected lower end AR like a S&W, Bushmaster, PSA or WW will be a fine gun. You are also right that if they can’t afford the gun, they likely can’t afford the training.
For all the praise of the SKS and cheap ammo and the fact that almost all gun owners have one, I’m surprised that they are not used more often in competition and training.
As to your needs vs. wants comment, what if we were talking about precision rifles now instead of high end ARs? You would have contradicted yourself. You say you can’t afford $4000+ worth of rifle, and no time to practice, train and compete. Yet you were criticizing some gun owners of not priorizing. If you truly want to do LR, you will make the time and effort, maybe sell a few guns or the TV to do it? Same thing, right? Priorities? I would posit that you actually don’t seriously want to do LR, just a passing interest.
Again, I am not belittling you. In fact, I had the same desire to do LR except I got the rig to do it, even the reloading equipment. But I found out I didn’t enjoy it and my eyesight issues made the whole point moot. What I do enjoy and make time for is competition and taking courses. I have to admit serious shooters who take courses do seem to run better equipment but then again, they do make the effort to train so their equipment and knowledge will support their gear selection.
And I would agree with your last two statements in green! As to beauty never won a match or a gunfight, I would disagree. A KAC or HK or MMR is a gorgeous rifle!
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With those brands you never will.
In this day and age in Canada, I see little reason to not buy a good quality AR. Lots of craptastic brands out there. Do actual research.
Colt
Colt Canada (excellent for the money in Canada and the best of regular DI ARs) TDP steps ahead of Colt USA adavanced top rate manufacturing.
LMT
FN (commercial reversed engineeered not exactly like there Mil contract guns produced in different factory but no worries) not allowed to make TDP per Colt USA
HK Heckler & Koch (Simply The Best)
KAC (Proprietory)
Aero Precision (parts)
Noveske
DD = being lowest on the list now for Top Tier. Marty Daniels making bad decisions spec becoming too commercial.
Windham ( Old Bushmaster factory seems to making a good quality AR these days but not TDP) They did make a TDP Contract once during Gulf War one. No records though confirmed.
Rock River. ???? Commercial. ?? Not sure
Stag ( Appeared to be Good reversed engineered, Try’s to compare to Colt or meet their standard)
BCM ( Great quality but what are they actually making and what exactly are they testing too. They mirror Colt USA and go beyond TDP apparently) best Marketing.
Follow the Colt TDP first then go from there.
I mostly agree with what you have said. The green is a nice contrast color btw!
My thoughts on AR selection and training do coincide with yours.
However saying you have no time for collectors may be misleading. A lot of us, me included, have guns we barely use. I know people who are great shots and instructors who have guns they collect and never shoot. Not all collectors have guilded walls, sip cognac and smoke Havana cigars. Yet here you are, writing full proses to me so you actually have a little time for “ collectors”.
You have me there on collectors, then again you're not strictly a collector either
Saying a lower end gun has a high potential for failure is again misleading. Yes, I agree the lesser quality of a low end firearm increases the chance of failure but this statement has not been bourne out in my personal experience. Like I keep saying, you must be playing in a different sandbox than me. Civvies are not likely to train like Mil. Most ranges in Canada just won’t allow the type of training I think you’re talking about. Guys who train like you are not common. Most guys, at best, will practice mag changes, maybe some Type 2-3 clearing drills and call it done. I do believe that for these guys, a properly selected lower end AR like a S&W, Bushmaster, PSA or WW will be a fine gun. You are also right that if they can’t afford the gun, they likely can’t afford the training.
For all the praise of the SKS and cheap ammo and the fact that almost all gun owners have one, I’m surprised that they are not used more often in competition and training.
Low quality is just that, low quality. I don't disagree that there are endless numbers of low end/quality AR's that are "running just fine"
but the reality is most see very low round counts their entire life. As for training I will reiterate, the good training is done in the USA not in Canada. You simply can't get a good burn on with 5 or even 10 round magazines. Mag changes can be done at home without ammo and yet I still see people struggling with a simple reload at matches or even without stress at the range plinking. If you agree with my point about not affording the rifle then I'm sure you can see the logic behind why buying a low end AR and even worse championing such is both foolish and erroneous.
Here's a thread right now on a low end AR that isn't working.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...ssues-Advice?p=14295480&posted=1#post14295480
I see your point with regards to the SKS but you know as well as I that most who own an SKS will rarely shoot a case of ammo a year out of it, and there's simply no excuse for that.
As to your needs vs. wants comment, what if we were talking about precision rifles now instead of high end ARs? You would have contradicted yourself. You say you can’t afford $4000+ worth of rifle, and no time to practice, train and compete. Yet you were criticizing some gun owners of not priorizing. If you truly want to do LR, you will make the time and effort, maybe sell a few guns or the TV to do it? Same thing, right? Priorities? I would posit that you actually don’t seriously want to do LR, just a passing interest.
Not contradicting myself at all. My priorities are simply not with LR shooting, my desire to do so is not mutually exclusive to my drive for practical gear and endeavors. I simply see my AR/action type shooting and pistol work as far more important than pursuing long range. From a financial standpoint I can't make both styles of shooting work. From a schedule point of view I simply don't have enough spare time to dedicate to two disciplines without short changing myself on one or both. If I really want to do LR I could do it overnight but it's not the most practical for me and would involve more sacrifice than I deem it to be worth. It's the same reason I don't pursue SCUBA diving or skydiving, snowmobiles, dirt bikes or ATV's.
Again, I am not belittling you. In fact, I had the same desire to do LR except I got the rig to do it, even the reloading equipment. But I found out I didn’t enjoy it and my eyesight issues made the whole point moot. What I do enjoy and make time for is competition and taking courses. I have to admit serious shooters who take courses do seem to run better equipment but then again, they do make the effort to train so their equipment and knowledge will support their gear selection.
That is a totally fair experiment, you went all in and it just wasn't what you thought it was in addition to eye sight issues. Best to try and find out then always wonder if it would have worked.
And I would agree with your last two statements in green! As to beauty never won a match or a gunfight, I would disagree. A KAC or HK or MMR is a gorgeous rifle!
KAC or HK are gorgeous rifles in my mind as well but they didn't win any match or gunfight with looks, performance is what wins.
BCM builds rifles to the TDP used by the US military. BCM is the ONLY company to ever disclose third part testing of it's barrels and components proving they both do proper testing and that their products meet or exceed the TDP specs. It's not good marketing it's simply not building sh*t to make a buck.
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Since you bring up IPSC, I think you are interested in action shooting or 3 gun down the road. I will say those FN tactical and Stag tactical-comp in between guns being advertised are good value. They come with everything you need right out of the box. You can take them to matches and won't be limited by the guns too much as a newbie, and they are tacit-cool enough at the same time. They come with brakes and long hand guard, you just need to buy a better stock.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...4-Stag-Arms-Stag-15-PCF-Carbine-955!-In-Stock
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1633859-FN-FN15-Tactical-II-5-56mm-amp-300BLK
Lots of these guys are suggesting Milspec this, Milspec that. Since you bring up you want to shoot "IPSC", you may as well go get something to aid you in that direction. If you don't have this fetish for "military rifle", there is no reason to pay extra for that label "mil spec, military grade, professional use". Why not buy something that is suitable for your goal to shoot IPSC or competition?
Why drive a truck while your ultimate goal is to do track racing? Actually, being good at driving a truck doesn't necessarily mean your time in the truck will automatically mean anything at all on the race track with a race car.
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Well like nearly every AR maker out there the raw forgings come from the small group of foundries that offer them. BCM completes the machining on their upper and lower receivers and hammer forges their own barrels. The smaller components I'm not sure, I suspect some are sourced like the other guys do.
Here's a link where Paul Buffoni talks about their parts and manufacturing. The minute details they adhere to simply to say their rifles are milspec is insane, like proper heat treat on the roll pin and forward assist pawl... Like anyone would notice a difference?! But BCM does it right.
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?55930-BCM-Stuff
The gear makes up very little of the equation when it comes to competing. If the guns don't run then it doesn't matter how race ready they are. If the shooter can't shoot for sh*t then again the gear doesn't matter. The options you linked are both excellent choices of mid tier rifles and well suited for comp work if you like the exact setup... But changes can happen later in life.
Hello again. I have been doing some reading so I can try to understand the inner workings of the AR platform a little better. I am leaning towards the mid length or rifle length gas system. which mean I will be looking at a 16" barrel or longer. I definitely want a top quality barrel. Any thought on my comment? I want to make sure I am correctly understanding the rifle. There is still so much for me to learn which to be honest is difficult considering I have never shot this style rifle before. I would prefer to leave to range at the end of the day without a sore shoulder so
the longer gas system seems the obvious choice to me.
I have always preferred a quality trigger on any pistol I own and the balance of the gun is essential. It also has to fit my hands well and this is a personal thing for everyone. I like steel and prefer the extra weight it add to the pistols. When I do shoot IPSC I do not get tired as it is a one day event and I am just excited to be out for the day. Does all this ring true for the AR platform as well?
I still need to understand so much more so will continue to read. I am starting to consider waiting for post Christmas sales. Do they exist for quality AR's?
THX everyone I have really enjoyed reading all your comments
the longer gas system seems the obvious choice to me.
I have always preferred a quality trigger on any pistol I own and the balance of the gun is essential. It also has to fit my hands well and this is a personal thing for everyone. I like steel and prefer the extra weight it add to the pistols. When I do shoot IPSC I do not get tired as it is a one day event and I am just excited to be out for the day. Does all this ring true for the AR platform as well?
I still need to understand so much more so will continue to read. I am starting to consider waiting for post Christmas sales. Do they exist for quality AR's?
THX everyone I have really enjoyed reading all your comments
Nothing wrong with a rifle length gas system except the gun becomes very long(compared to most AR rifles) and the weight/torque will wear you out.
Questing for a top quality barrel is of little value if you don't feed it top quality ammo, so keep that in mind. If you do feed it good ammo then you likely will be forced to have an upper built or at the very least the barrel swapped if you're set on a premium barrel. That being said, a reputable brand AR will have an excellent barrel and will still produce excellent results with good ammo. Below are some videos of stock guns and some builds using good barrels not necessarily match barrels and doing incredible distances.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1bS9eWHFA
You can buy that upper direct from BCM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1EAEpsi5IE
Reddot and magnifier at 580 yards, some cheap ammo used as well as good stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZrBHYJjotg
1000 yards with a 10.5" barrel is available.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUIWr1HhWIU
Stock gun and cheap ammo at 800 yards.
The sales after Xmas are hit and miss. Quite often the better deals are before Xmas like black friday. However, there seems to be a good surge of stuff for sale on the EE after Xmas as people get new stuff or simply need to liquidate to pay for Xmas spending.
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As much as Kidd X and I have been writing essays on your thread, he is correct about what he is telling you.
Since you have your mind set on a mid to upper end rifle, then that is where you should focus your attention.
If you are shooting a 5.56/.223 AR, it will take a long time to get sore shoulders. I personally like the 16” AR. It’s the best compromise for all things that are good with the AR and likely, the most reliable.
You will NOT get tired fielding an AR unless you are shouldering a heavy barrelled 20” Rifle for 10 hrs! Ok, I’m been funny!
A properly equipped quality AR, even with a heavy match barrel, with optic should not weigh more than 11lbs ( and that’s heavy!) With a good sling, it will be no issues. My Colt weighs 8.5lbs loaded.
There’s a myriad of buttstocks, pistol grips and foreends for the AR that you can source to make the gun as individual as you would like.
Since you are not going the S&W, WW and Bushmaster route, then seriously look at DD, Colt Canada esp the MMR rifle. The Stag Arms offered by Arms East now is also a heck of a nice rifle. You can equip it off their site with Magpul furniture, nice PRO iron sights and the ACT trigger for under $1500. Go take a look. It’s a nice rifle that should do what you ask of it.
WOW, lots of good opinions here, lots of good points, I rarely make a point twice but here it goes "bullets,barrels,& bedding" that said, go with the "best" barreled AR you can afford?, lots have been said about IPSC and "safe queens" , "mil spec"? I'm very different from most AR buyers /end users, I've been able to to have experience in both the "professional"&"private" world. I respect and look for quality, if you simply want an "AR" then this thread is a moot point. So many opinions here and they all have there merit. I like quality and performance, price isn't an issue as long as I get what I want.
That said, I can defend Colt and HK guns, as I'm and "end user". That's my experience.
That said, I can defend Colt and HK guns, as I'm and "end user". That's my experience.
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Can’t argue with that!
