Afghan snipers

Interesting. The enemy, the Taliban, appear to have started a Marskmanship Program with their Lee Enfield rifles.
I beleive our allies have over looked and underestimated the worth of well trained riflemen in combat, using vintage iron sighted service rifles.
Us older vets here in Canada remember that hitting figure 11 targets at 330 yds with iron sighted 7.62's or 303 are par for the course. And figure 11/12 targets on 4 ft screens at 550 yds., are more of a challenge but not difficult to hit 50 percent of the time.
 
They haven't started anything new with their LE 's they've been killing each other since the Flood................that ain't a marksman shooting...........Harold
 
For some the war is actually business, they make BIG $$$$$ selling arms, ammo and services to American Gov. to continue the war. And you can guess who pays for it - YOU. War is business for them. Many don't see it that way but the fact still remains. How much is a single C-130 flight is? They cannot make $$$$ selling things, they make up charging us in military expenses...
 
cyclone said:
Not a lot of SVD's encountered, but...I wonder about Mosins? ;)

Some food for thought: had one of the soldiers had a 7.62mm rifle to respond with, the whole "explosion at a civillian site" to dislodge the opposing rifleman may have been avoided? :redface:

Even dollar-wise, an M-14 or bolt-action .308 would have cost far less than the missile used to "respond"!



A time when firearms where made in Toronto.....:yingyang:
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I just read an article on the armchair general forum. They are now fielding 2 updated m-14's with each unit in afghanistan. Apparently they have 3000 m-14's already converted.
 
davemccarthy707 said:
I just read an article on the armchair general forum. They are now fielding 2 updated m-14's with each unit in afghanistan. Apparently they have 3000 m-14's already converted.
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They had been issuing them in Iraq for some time....:yingyang:...not a few "duels" between men on patrol with M-14's (as oppose to dedicated marksmen, let alone those deemed "snipers") have been resolved simply owing to the M-14's greater range than those of the insurgent-weapons Americans encounter...:wave:
 
In that kind of heat the mirage off bare, rocky ground is so great that glass is practically useless. The Taliban shooter was using iron sights and if his ammo or his aim was better, that mud wall would have been no defence at all. Seeing them all standing clustered behind it like it was 2" armour plate reminds me of those Vietnam documentaries. Not much has been learned obviously. :rolleyes: The casualty wouldn't have been hit at all if he had been in the prone position.

The Boers were shooting over grasslands with far less mirage, and they liked to zero on visible landmarks before the shooting began - we've all heard of the whitewashed rocks.

They were also using excellent quality, nearly new rifles and ammo, and they took care of them.

Nice Long Branch. Probably one of our war reserve rifles until the 1980s.

Pretty funny how the writer thinks he has to explain "battle rifles" to the readers!
 
RRCo. said:
In that kind of heat the mirage off bare, rocky ground is so great that glass is practically useless. The Taliban shooter was using iron sights and if his ammo or his aim was better, that mud wall would have been no defence at all. Seeing them all standing clustered behind it like it was 2" armour plate reminds me of those Vietnam documentaries. Not much has been learned obviously. :rolleyes: The casualty wouldn't have been hit at all if he had been in the prone position.

The Boers were shooting over grasslands with far less mirage, and they liked to zero on visible landmarks before the shooting began - we've all heard of the whitewashed rocks.

They were also using excellent quality, nearly new rifles and ammo, and they took care of them.

Nice Long Branch. Probably one of our war reserve rifles until the 1980s.

Pretty funny how the writer thinks he has to explain "battle rifles" to the readers!
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well there really was no other cover around, would you rather they have just sat in the open? and with that gear on you wouldn't be wanting to go prone either, trust me
 
War is alwasy big business. It cost the US taxpayer about one million dollars for each soldier in Afghanistan, per year, and a F-15 fighter cost $ 44.000 an hour to operate in combat mission over Afghanistan. The Canadian "Leopard" tanks cost one million dollars to fly into Afghanistan.

Then there is the huge cost of buying the right people at the rights places, in and around the nations of Afghanistan, so we can conduct this war, in which we gladly finance both sides, by buying the heroin from the Taliban as well as paying taxes to our Governments, who is fighting the Taliban :)

No end in sight to this war/business ?
 
What happens in Afghanistan will effect all of Central Aisa, we walked away once before and it didn't work, the only peope preventing us from winning there is ourselves.
 
Well, I guess that was, among others, what Alexander the Greath, Barbur, Ghengis Khan, The British and the Russian said about Afghanistan ?

And can we now add Canada and its NATO allies to this comment ?
 
Colin said:
the only peope preventing us from winning there is ourselves.
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:agree:

Step one: All politicians, hippies and idiots STFU and let the military do its job.
Step two: We go back to WWII as far as media is concerned (black and white films made by the war dept) all is well;)
 
snowhunter said:
Well, I guess that was, among others, what Alexander the Greath, Barbur, Ghengis Khan, The British and the Russian said about Afghanistan ?

And can we now add Canada and its NATO allies to this comment ?
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Russia suffered 300,000 causalities from disease alone. The first British expedition was run by an idiot that allowed himself to be overextended, later British columns defeated the Afghans near Kandahar. Many Afghans still bear the blood of Alexander’s soldiers. In a way his army never left but was absorbed.

The west was able to defeat Germany and Japan, because we had the will and determination to end the fight. Had we applied that determination immediately after 2001, we would not be facing the crisis that we face now. But as usual the west dithered around and threw away the time we had won.

So what exactly do you suggest we do? Allow the Taliban to eventually control the country again? What will be different this time? Maybe the Hazari will be completely exterminated? You care to throw away the lives of millions of Afghans that don’t want the Taliban and their rather foreign interpretation of Islam a.ka. Deobandism. Are you fine with the Taliban eradicating every last piece of non-Islamic heritage that Afghanistan has? Since the Taliban were pushed out an average of 40,000 more infants survive their first year of life, care to go back to the Taliban version of “free health care”?
 
Then we have "the rocket hit a the wrong target and civillians were killed." the Taliban don't give a rotten rat's arse if civillians are killed, in fact they try to make that happen as often as they can by hiding among civillians.

The NY Times was founded as the house organ of the dimocrat party and has ALWAYS been to the left of Lenin.
 
If we could stop our societies from using heroin, we could starve Taliban out of business, without firing a shot or dropping a bomb.

Like the British and Russians before us, we are trapped in Afghanistan, and there is no easy way out, I can think of. From the past and resent history, we know that there is no easy way out any war in Afghanistan. I know, that the Russian, after 11 years in Afghanistan, "just found the light at the end of the tunnel", and without looking back, pulled out of Afghanistan....

Offering the Afghani farmers a replacement crop, instead from growing 80 % of worlds, and our, rich and affluent societies daily need for heroin, might be some of the answer for peace in Afghanistan ?

If we are not willing to give up our societies needs for heroin, the Afghan destetute farmer will continue to grow heroin, just to survive, and keep their middlemen, the Taliban going, and we will keep on sending soldiers etc etc.

From my crude and simple analysis, I can figure out that the drug and arms dealers, are going to benefit from the Afghan war , a little bit longer.
 
Guns and politics go hand in hand. When ordinary politics fails, we speak with our guns. Our soldiers in Afghanistan are now exercising, official Canadian foreign policy, with their weapons.

Politics and the use of weapons, are never far apart.
 
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