AIA .308 magazines for a M14

shredder said:
Markup? MARKUP??? You rotten somonabeetch!!!!! :p

You should be selling these at a loss to get around the second most idiotic law in the Firearms Act!!!:p

Just kidding.

When they come in, I'll probably order a couple for my M305. It'll be great when out target shooting on Crown land. :D
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Actually to be "clearer," this is what we're told we have to sell them for on the first round of imports.
 
millwright said:
I wonder if I used the new twenty round mag destined for my AIA no4 mk4, on a M305, if the added weight of ten extra rounds would the mag still stay in the mag well with the mag not having the notch for the op rod spring guide?.Just wondering as the AIA mag well appears tighter.Could be thinking out loud for no good reason,but I thought I would mention it anyways
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A very good point. I have to concede the manufacturer/importer has thought of this.
 
Supposedly the twenty round mags are being manufactured EXACTLY as the original ten rounders for the AIA rifles...this would indicate they would have chromed and polished mag followers..
 
Just spoke with who I assume was ki11lerkane this afternoon, and had a brief but informative conversation. Put my name on the pre-order list for 2x of these mags.

Very pleasant fellow, look forward to doing business with him.
 
millwright said:
I wonder if I used the new twenty round mag destined for my AIA no4 mk4, on a M305, if the added weight of ten extra rounds would the mag still stay in the mag well with the mag not having the notch for the op rod spring guide?.Just wondering as the AIA mag well appears tighter.Could be thinking out loud for no good reason,but I thought I would mention it anyways
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Shouldn't be a problem. Surely these magazines will be guaranteed to fit and function, with a full refund if they don't.
 
tiriaq said:
Shouldn't be a problem. Surely these magazines will be guaranteed to fit and function, with a full refund if they don't.
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No such guarantee. You`re buying a magazine made for another rifle. These magazines are made for AIA rifles, not M14`s. They are interchangeable, not compatible.
 
Surely then they will be guaranteed to fit and function in the AIA rifle.

And the seller has no way of knowing what sort of rifle the buyer has.....

So if the buyer is not satisfied with his purchase, the magazines could be returned for refund.....
 
this has probably been asked one or ten times but is there any clarification from the RCMP on these being legal? I mean if you get stopped and questioned by the powers that be, how do you explain that this here 20 round magazine is for a bolt action rifle and just happens to fit your M14? Are they marked by the manufacturer, or is it your word against the laws? I would just hate to see people getting arrested, charged and having their property confiscated even if it is found to be legal, you know?
 
I have a few on order, and look forward to getting them. Many thanks to Ki11ercane for his work in bringing them in.

Even if they don't work in my M14(m305 :p) I still plan on getting one of the AIA's, so the money will be well spent.

Ki11ercane:
It sounds like the magazines are being custom made, are there any other projects you can talk about?
 
supernova said:
this has probably been asked one or ten times but is there any clarification from the RCMP on these being legal? I mean if you get stopped and questioned by the powers that be, how do you explain that this here 20 round magazine is for a bolt action rifle and just happens to fit your M14? Are they marked by the manufacturer, or is it your word against the laws? I would just hate to see people getting arrested, charged and having their property confiscated even if it is found to be legal, you know?
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It has been stated that these are stamped that they were made for the AIA M10 Bolt Action rifle. Should be plenty legal enough.
 
It is reported that these are being stamped with an appropriate marking.
These are going to have to clear CBSA when imported.
Who knows if the RCMP will see them?
The LAR 10 round AR compatible magazine was inspected and specifically approved by the RCMP. The importer has posted the letter of approval - anyone can print off a copy if he chooses.
Perhaps there will be such a covering letter with these magazines.
Or perhaps the user will be on his own, if the police question the legality of the magazine, and will have the opportunity to establish the legal status.
 
kilo69 said:
It has been stated that these are stamped that they were made for the AIA M10 Bolt Action rifle. Should be plenty legal enough.
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Should be. Could be. Someone is going to get to find out. It should be the importer, not a retailer or customer who is responsible for determining legality.
 
tiriaq said:
Should be. Could be. Someone is going to get to find out. It should be the importer, not a retailer or customer who is responsible for determining legality.
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I don't understand what is so hard about this concept. The magazines are being lawfully imported, therefore there is no question they are not prohibited devices.

The magazines comply with Canadian Law in that they are designed for, and intended for use in the AIA bolt action .308 rifles. These magazines are advertised and sold for the AIA bolt action .308 rifle.

That by coincidence the magazine fits into the m14 mag well and functions in the rifle does not make it illegal to use the magazine. The magazine designed, sold and advertised for use in the semi-automatic m14/m1a rifle is limited to 5 rounds to comply with Canadian Law.

There is no question to me if it is legal, you just have to be able to "sell" that fact to whoever feels the need to incorrectly tell you that you are using a prohibited device.
 
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NavyCuda said:
I don't understand what is so hard about this concept. The magazines are being lawfully imported, therefore there is no question they are not prohibited devices.

The magazines comply with Canadian Law in that they are designed for, and intended for use in the AIA bolt action .308 rifles. These magazines are advertised and sold for the AIA bolt action .308 rifle.

That by coincidence the magazine fits into the m14 mag well and functions in the rifle does not make it illegal to use the magazine. The magazine designed, sold and advertised for use in the semi-automatic m14/m1a rifle is limited to 5 rounds to comply with Canadian Law.

There is no question to me if it is legal, you just have to be able to "sell" that fact to whoever feels the need to incorrectly tell you that you are using a prohibited device.
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These magazines have not yet been imported, but they SHOULD pass muster.

It should not be a user who has to "sell" the idea that the magazines are perfectly legal in a M-14.

The importer of the LAR magazines made sure that their customers were not going to have a problem with their magazines.

There is no reason the importer of these magazines could not do the same.
 
tiriaq said:
Surely then they will be guaranteed to fit and function in the AIA rifle.

And the seller has no way of knowing what sort of rifle the buyer has.....

So if the buyer is not satisfied with his purchase, the magazines could be returned for refund.....
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1. Yes, they will be guaranteed to fit and function in the rifle they are made for, not the rifle they are used in.

2. Correct.

3. For not working in their AIA rifle, yes.
 
supernova said:
this has probably been asked one or ten times but is there any clarification from the RCMP on these being legal? I mean if you get stopped and questioned by the powers that be, how do you explain that this here 20 round magazine is for a bolt action rifle and just happens to fit your M14? Are they marked by the manufacturer, or is it your word against the laws? I would just hate to see people getting arrested, charged and having their property confiscated even if it is found to be legal, you know?
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My local CFO office is convinced the 10 round LAR magazines are prohibited to use in an AR. I won't name names, but when I heard that I did a face palm in my head.

Firearms magazines are administered by the Criminal Code. There is nothing in the Criminal Code that says a magazine made for a bolt action rifle over 5 rounds is prohibited. You are not required by law to prove you're "not" breaking the law. LEO has to prove you're "breaking" the law. Nothing personal but this mindset is what LEO wants you to have to keep you in fear.

You have as much of a chance as keeping them as you do your LAR15 mags if you were "spot checked", no matter what the law says. Property can be confiscated by law enforcement/government even if it's lawful. Canadians have no property rights. I have already seen this happen.

BTW, can "anyone" name "one" person that has had a "magazine spot inspection?"

These magazines are "stamped" that they are made for the AIA rifle, not laser engraved.
 
tiriaq said:
It is reported that these are being stamped with an appropriate marking.
These are going to have to clear CBSA when imported.
Who knows if the RCMP will see them?
The LAR 10 round AR compatible magazine was inspected and specifically approved by the RCMP. The importer has posted the letter of approval - anyone can print off a copy if he chooses.
Perhaps there will be such a covering letter with these magazines.
Or perhaps the user will be on his own, if the police question the legality of the magazine, and will have the opportunity to establish the legal status.
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CBSA reports directly to the RCMP. I "guarantee" from my 11+ years as a registered importer a "sample" will go to the RCMP.

The LAR15 mags were "blessed" by the RCMP, something that was done voluntarily. Magazines are not regulated by the CFP. This was simply a choice of the importer.

Keep a copy of the criminal code on you if you like, but it won't do any good. If LEO or the RCMP want to take your <insert item here> you can quote the law all you want, but LEO is trained "not" to change their minds once they are made. Police Training 101.

All the importer/manufacturer can do is follow the law. This doesn't stop LEO/RCMP from making it up as they go, which they have done time and time again.
 
Personally, I can't wait for them to arrive.
Until then, I will continue to use .40 cal mags in my 9mm handguns. My lar mags in my AR 15's, and my Tavor.
I am a law abiding citizen. I don't consider it a 'loophole'.
The law is written to specificaly allow for this.
You only get to keep the rights you use.
 
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i was stopped by the Conservation officer last week on my way back from town, standard road side check. My truck gun right now while deer/bear season is open is my custom enfield .303. and BOTH my mags on board were carrying 10 rounds. In the small pack my mags are in were two loaded M14 5/20 rounders. He checked all the mags after asking if the 5/20 round m14 mags were high capacity due to thier length. He did not even look twice at the mags for my enfield, even after i told him they were full to 10 round capacity. Ignorance of the law is no excuse..... so if a Conservation officer in backwoods B.C. knows the rules on magazines, no police officer in this land should be ignorant of those rules...... in a perfect world.
on that note, I have personally shot side by side at the range bench, accompanied by a few different police officers...... and they did not arrest me for using my high cap mag in my M14. In fact there was at least one currently serving LEO with us the day we made the infamous AIA mag in the LRB scout video ;)
 
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your enfield mags only hold 10 rounds? are they broken or something? I thought they held more rounds than that... hmmm
 
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