AIA Enfield mags - Here in 2014 **ACCEPTING PRE-ORDERS**

[sky52]

If that were the case. Valmet should be prohib!? I know canadian firearm laws have no logic but.......

 

[Martin248]

Sigh. Still, it will be great to have more ten rounders.

 

[fenceline]

If that were the case. Valmet should be prohib!? I know canadian firearm laws have no logic but.......

The valmets are prohibited as ak variants, except for the m78 and hunter models. All other variants of valmet are noted as prohibited by order in council as Ak variants. The exemption for the m78 and hunter are not for any mechanical or functional difference.

They were slated for prohibition, but politicians decided to exempt those two. When you supply certain indigenous people with them, then take the ability to hunt with them, it might lose you votes and gain bad publicity. Politicians.

Point being, a Finnish valmet m71, an ak type, doesn't have too many interchangeable parts with a russian ak of any type. Still an ak.

Even with the minor differences in the AIA version, it is still an enfield design based rifle. Just like a No1Mk3 and No4Mk1/2 and a No5 are very different. But all are Enfields.

Here is the AIA advert, note how they call the rifle they built an Enfield. I think they'd know.

 

[sky52]

Theres no point to argue.....brings me doen to your level and beat me with experience

 

[dr1953]

just ordered 4-10 round mags. That's all I can afford at the moment. I will probably order more in the future. I'm happy with the 10 round mags, I have 2 AIA rifles.

 

[P0WERWAGON]

Hmm your smallest number for a bulk order please ... and if anyone in Toronto is iterested we can do bulk deal ... shame not 20/20 but can't complain about a 10/20 m305 magazine

If they fit my Norinco M305, put me down for 6 to 10.

So...I haven't read through all 150 or so posts...but my spider sense says these mags, made for the AIA rifles could just happen to maybe incidentally fit into other, say,.....M14 type rifles...?

But then, I've always thought an AIA in the collection was a good idea...

They won't willingly let us have 20 rd mags for use in our M14's without a fight. Even if doesn't make legal sense.

Any fit/feed issues at all when used in the M14. Any differences if used in a Norc or Springfield? I'd buy five...but not if they work most of the time...they need to work 100% reliably in an M14 all the time.

Will they fit norinco m14 m305

So this may sound dumb... But it says that they are FOR the AIA Enfield...but toe that's not CLEARLY answering Botts question as I am also wondering if they will fit my M14 as well?

Chuckle, I will tell you from personal first hand knowledge, that the AIA bolt action 308 mags MOST CERTAINLY fit in a semi auto M14, and it's LEGAL.

Cheers
Jay

Just ordered 4. These will be great for my AIA rifle, I only have three magazines for it now. This will bring me up to a reasonable number.

If they also so happen to work in the three M14's I also own, as my existing AIA magazines do, that will be fantastic.

Hmmmm. I have 2 AIA mags already and I always shoot on crown.I also use em in my various m14 type rifles.

comments like this are partially why we cant have nice things. would you run back to the bank if it the ATM spits out an extra $20 bill?

people always have to point out a loophole BEFORE letting the RCMP make a ruling.

next time STFU and just let it happen. if you have something to fight, let it be the sig and 858 fiasco and leave the importer/manufacture to ask for help from us.

 

[NoTarget]

comments like this are partially why we cant have nice things. would you run back to the bank if it the ATM spits out an extra $20 bill?

people always have to point out a loophole BEFORE letting the RCMP make a ruling.

next time STFU and just let it happen. if you have something to fight, let it be the sig and 858 fiasco and leave the importer/manufacture to ask for help from us.

Yeah, these people let the secret out...

 

[Odd Shot]

That genie was already out of the bottle. Apparently there are You-Tube videos featuring it, as well as other threads. It would be pretty naive to think that the RCMP were not already aware, or even remotely interested in other applications for the magazines. That being said, however, I wish they would stop spending so much of their time and our tax dollars looking for ways to give us the shaft.

I presume that for the RCMP, having relatively few, expensive, original AIA mags kicking around Canada was one thing, but once they realized the high demand for these mags from the M14 crowd, as viewed on this thread, they back pedalled, and pulled their approval.

You guys keep forgetting: the RCMP appear to make up their own rules as they go along. Why are we surprised that they reversed an earlier decision??? They've done that a couple times already, without any consequence. Stop looking for logic or consistency in their actions, other than this one: everything they do is to deprive us of our sport, our firearms.

 

[fenceline]

comments like this are partially why we cant have nice things. would you run back to the bank if it the ATM spits out an extra $20 bill?

people always have to point out a loophole BEFORE letting the RCMP make a ruling.

next time STFU and just let it happen. if you have something to fight, let it be the sig and 858 fiasco and leave the importer/manufacture to ask for help from us.

If that was the case, the mags would be pinned to 5, as dual use in the m14 types and the AIA.

It's 10 because of the enfield mag clause.

 

[Odd Shot]

If the RCMP truly decided they were dual use, ie for use in a bolt action, and a semi auto center fire, they would have made the decision to limit them to the lowest capacity of the two magazine types. Specifically, 5 rounds. That is how other mags designed for two types of canadian firearms, ie dual purpose or dual use, have been restricted.

In this case, it appears that they have use the 10 round "exemption" noted for the enfield mags as the limiting factor of the mag design.

If it was a dual use ruling, the mags would pinned to 5.

"dual use" was the RCMP's wording, as posted by another CGNer from the email that NRM sent him/her.

Again, you're looking for consistency from a bureaucracy which for all intents and purposes appears to be unaccountable to anyone, and has an agenda to disarm the population of any "cool" gun

 

[Odd Shot]

If that was the case, the mags would be pinned to 5, as dual use in the m14 types and the AIA.

It's 10 because of the enfield mag clause.

I still believe this outcome could have been avoided if there had not been this M14/AIA fervour on this thread.

 

[fenceline]

"dual use" was the RCMP's wording, as posted by another CGNer from the email that NRM sent him/her.

Again, you're looking for consistency from a bureaucracy which for all intents and purposes appears to be unaccountable to anyone, and has an agenda to disarm the population of any "cool" gun

Dual use was NR's wording based on their understanding of the ruling. The RCMP letter has yet to be posted. I'll wait for that rather than go on a witch hunt over why, or why not.

Contrary to popular belief, execution of the firearms act has been quite consistent. It is the wording of the act that is rambling.

 

[Odd Shot]

Dear B,

This email is being sent to you because a problem has developed with your order.

In May of 2014 the RCMP had informed Northern Republic Magazine Inc. that magazines for Lee-Enfield variants not using the traditional .303 British magazine did not require a capacity restriction. However, in June of 2014, the RCMP has notified Northern Republic Magazine Inc. that they view the AIA Enfield magazine as a "Dual use" magazine with the M14 rifle, meaning that the capacity rules for semiautomatic rifle magazines should apply.

However, the RCMP have indicated that Section 84 of the Criminal Code of Canada's states that rather than the typical five (5) round limit for semiautomatic rifles, a permissible capacity of ten (10) rounds for the Lee-Enfield rifle applies to the AIA Enfield rifle instead of the five (5) rounds typically associated with magazines that can be used in a semi-automatic firearm.

Northern Republic Magazine Inc. had originally planned to bring the AIA Enfield magazine chambered in .308 Win into Canada with a ten (10) round limit, however the confusion with the RCMP prompted Northern Republic Magazine Inc. to change their marketing to promote an unblocked magazine. We understand that you may have made your purchase of an AIA Enfield magazine with the understanding that there was no capacity restriction on the magazine. However, in order to facilitate the legal import of the AIA magazines in Canada, all magazines with capacity over ten (10) rounds will again be manufactured with a ten (10) cartridge limit in place.

Should you chose to cancel your order, no penalties will be incurred and a full refund issued.

Northern Republic Magazine Inc.

Dual use was NR's wording. The RCMP letter has yet to be posted.

I know it's "hearsay". I was just going by what was posted.

 

[fenceline]

Either way, the ten round limit is do to the "Enfield" mag clause.

If it truly is dual use, then the resulting pinned to 10 exemption, getting past the M14 mag limit of 5 rounds, is solely due to that clause.

Or

If it isn't dual use, and is soley a Enfield mag, then the "Enfield mag clause" is what the Rcmp is using to keep it from exceeding ten rounds.

Either way, the AIA mag being functional in an M14 type is no new revelation. I'd be amazed if the mounties didn't know.

If they didn't, and their mind was changed by the banter on cgn, it would be because of the talk of the enfield clause.

 

[sky52]

didnt another vendor caxxda ammx had a container of these a while ago and they were stamped aia bolt action riffle?? howd they get past that time?

 

[DOOK]

Here's what I think happened.
They already have precedent set for the original AIA mags at 10 rounds.
Approved by the RCMP. They can't rescind that, as there are already so many rifles, and mags in country.

Along comes these mags, ambitiously holding up to 25 rounds, but they know the majority of these bolt action mags will end up in M14's. The thought of mags having 5X the capacity they think they should have in a semi, scares the living Sh!t out of them. Rightly so after Moncton. Levels the field too much.

So, they begrudgingly come up with 10 rounds. It is still a win for us. The LAR mags were limited to a body that holds (almost) 10 rds. Not allowed a 10/25 body in those pinned. At least they didn't require someone to manufacture an AIA pistol, and find some Jawas to shoot them!

They pulled it out of their ass, to be sure. Still, I view it as a minor victory we have them at all.
Someone with balls, and more money than sense will someday challenge this decision by Un pinning a mag, and shooting his bolt action mag in his bolt gun as the law allows, and test it with charges.
I suspect, with the right lawyer, he would succeed.

 

[alpha niner]

comments like this are partially why we cant have nice things. would you run back to the bank if it the ATM spits out an extra $20 bill?

people always have to point out a loophole BEFORE letting the RCMP make a ruling.

next time STFU and just let it happen. if you have something to fight, let it be the sig and 858 fiasco and leave the importer/manufacture to ask for help from us.

I hope you are not using an AR with any pistol or Beowulf mags over there...cause if you are not I am going to apologize now but if you are, I suggest you rethink what you just posted...

 

[Chuckbuster]

comments like this are partially why we cant have nice things. would you run back to the bank if it the ATM spits out an extra $20 bill?

people always have to point out a loophole BEFORE letting the RCMP make a ruling.

next time STFU and just let it happen. if you have something to fight, let it be the sig and 858 fiasco and leave the importer/manufacture to ask for help from us.

Well, you better make sure the people on You Tube get the memo too. As I said before, the genie was already out of the bottle.

 

[sky52]

Regardless of all. We do our part. Stfu until it happens, we got way too many captain obvious on this boat.

So what if he is using beowulf mag? Its 5 rounds and rcmp had came out saying its fine to do that. Ie 9mm in a 40sw mag
Its limit to whatever the caliber its produced for not what fits in it

 

[DOOK]

Rest assured, when AIA was bringing their rifles into Canada, they had a long chat with the Mounties first.
There are no secrets about guns.