AIA No4Mk4 - :D

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I picked up a AIA No4 off the EE since it has been on my "bucket list" for rifles. I had seen one at the range a while back and the finish on it alone had me hooked.

Anyhoooo, I tried out some 150g SPBT Hornady interlocks with H4895 and I am really impressed. The best group was 2.5" with 43.5 grains. Now for the interesting part. That was with the factory peep sight. The gun I picked up had the original sight replaced with a LE MK 4 so I put the AIA Mk 2 "copy" sight back on.

I was considering scoping the rifle as it comes with the mount and is tapped but after shooting it I am considering leaving it as is. I am hopeful I can bag a deer with it this fall. The large aperture on the MK2 sight gives me the feeling of a "ghost ring" sight and might be handy for the deer drive.

So from my perspective, it was a good purchase. I already have a nice DCRA No4 and it shoots quite well and has a LB marked Mk1 sight on it but I can't see taking that into the bush.
 
Very pleased with mine, I got the Marstar scope deal with it; and it is far more accurate than the poor sod (me) using it. Would be a bit on the heavy side to carry around for hunting.
 
As the saying often goes, this tread is worthless without pics!! So here is my M10 with a bipod and Hi-Lux 4-16 scope:

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I picked up one of the M10 sporters and it has remained one of my favourite rifles.
I couldn't stand the leapers glass that came on it so I settled for a Trijicon Accupoint 3-9x40, unfortunately I had to remove the original rear sight so it would mount. I have it pictured here beside a slightly bubba'd (NOT by me) No.5 JC
I would suggest this rifle to anybody who is thinking about one.

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Lot's of .303brit LE's out there still.
Now... a model in .223 /5.56mm would be really interesting...;)

Yes, I have some and am quite content. Which is why a .308 version isn't as much of an attraction for me as a brand new one would be in the calibre I'm used to and all set up for reloading.

Good point about a .223, that is different enough to think about.
 
Do they really take M14 mags? It looks like it to me.

Yes. The two ten rounders that come with the AIA will fit as is into an M14, works fine. The other way around is a bit different. The lug on the mags is just about a millimeter too low to latch on the AIA. So you have to drumel that much off the bottom. The best thing about the AIA with m14 mags is those useless 5 rounders fit nicely into the AIA, and drop out when the release is pressed. So you can use the 5 rounders for sighting shots, then use the 10 rounders for the relay shoot.
 
"...unfortunately I had to remove the original rear sight so it would mount."

The little L shape peep sticks up into the path of the scope. It is always nice to sight in a rifle with the irons so you have a back up, "just in case". This is especialy true in the case of this rifle because the irons are so easly adjusted, even easier than the original #4. You just screw the front sight post in our out for elevation, much like the SKS.

There are three solutions:

Remove the rear sight.

Install a military ladder sight and grind off the big battle sight ring. This is what you find on the #4T sniper rifle.

Buy a surplus L sight and grind off the top peep.

Or use a scope that has a space in the rear eyepiece that will accomodate the peep. My 4-12 Bushnell Scopechief has this feature. In this picture you can see that the sight has clearance in the gap in the scope eyepiece.
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"I am curious with the right load and a scope, what this rifle can do on paper. Has anyone tried to load test for the rifle and see what best groups they could get? "

I did a test yesterday. I had a bunch of 308 plinkers to shoot and wanted to find a single handload formula that would work well in all of them. I selected CBC Berdan primed brass, because I have a lot of that, a surplus military ball powder similar to H335 and surplus military 147gr FMJ bullets. The original ammo was loaded with 43gr, but I did not want full power, if I could avoid it, so tested 40, 41 nad 42 in each rifle, at 100 yards.

I found it reamarkable that in EVERY rifle (13 of them) the 41 was the BEST, with 42gr. almost as good in most. None of them did well with the 40 gr load. So now I have a standard load and can run a bunch of it off in the Dillon.

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41 gr was the best.

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In the past I have run some similar tests in the AIA alone using both the 147 FMJ and 155 and 168 match bullets. The best load in all tests seems to be around 1.5 MOA. Not great for a target rifle, but very acceptable for a military type rifle.

This is not an "out of the box" rifle. I bought it used on EE and found it shot poorly. When I opened it, the barrel was bearing on the barrel channel all along one side. I hogged it out so it did not touch, and then bedded the receiver and made a bearing pad under the muzzle, to control that long skinny barrel. The results were gratifying. It now shoots under 2" consistantly and holds zero well.

Yesterday I also shot a rifle I made to serve the same purpose as the AIA, several years ago. It was a lot cheaper. I installed an old shot out 308Win match barrel in a #4. Most erosion and wear is in the throat and first 3" of barrel, so we just cut that section off a 30" barrel and chambered it in 308 Brit. That is a 303 case necked down to take a 308 bullet. This way the mag and extractor/ejector still work. The stock was hogged out to take the thicker barrel and the last 4" of barrel was contoured like a #4, right down to the bayo lugs. The result is a rifle that looks like a #4, but shoots 308 bullets. It groups slightly better than the AIA - by about a 1/4 inch.

It is the rifle on the right in this picture. I call it my "Pseudo Sniper". It shoots somewhat better than my real T.
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The Moisan Nagant sniper has been my most pleasent surprise. If you can get one with a good barrel, buy it. I have seen them advertised recently for around $500. I used milsurp ammo (Russian) in this test and it shot within an inch of where it was zeroed last year. Group was good too, 2.1". Not bad for millsurp ammo and a 3X scope.
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I also shot this same Russian ammo in a MN M44 (5.2") and a SVT40 (4.7")

In the context of other rifles, the AIA shoots about the same as the FR8 I shot yesterday (1.7", with irons) and the two Norinco M14s (2.2" & 1.6", with irons). The FR8 is out of the box. The m14s have been through Hungry's clinic and may have been bedded.
 
"...unfortunately I had to remove the original rear sight so it would mount."

The little L shape peep sticks up into the path of the scope. It is always nice to sight in a rifle with the irons so you have a back up, "just in case". This is especialy true in the case of this rifle because the irons are so easly adjusted, even easier than the original #4. You just screw the front sight post in our out for elevation, much like the SKS.

There are three solutions:

Remove the rear sight.

Install a military ladder sight and grind off the big battle sight ring. This is what you find on the #4T sniper rifle.

Buy a surplus L sight and grind off the top peep.

Or use a scope that has a space in the rear eyepiece that will accomodate the peep. My 4-12 Bushnell Scopechief has this feature. In this picture you can see that the sight has clearance in the gap in the scope eyepiece.


Hmmmm….. Guess I missed that memo LOL. (BTW if you ”Install a military ladder sight and grind off the big battle sight” you can’t install the stock rail unless you also grind off the back 2 slots.
Here is option #4:


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