airsoft bb's in a shotgun shell?
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1. maybe, maybe not;
2. An idea full of gheyIf you're justified in dropping the hammer on someone it is because you are in fear for your life (death or grave bodily injury) - are you going to trust a bucnh of low velocity plastic chunks to deter some methed-up piece of shyte who wishes to harm you or your family??? Let me know how that works out.
If you just want to scare someone, get a Halloween mask - real life isn't COD where yoiu get to respawn or whatever it's called...
Shoot Shovel and Shut up - one story, end of story...
blake
no no, the first two shells that would come out would be none lethal, the ones that follow would be hollow point slugs. even if the first was just a blank to audible deter someone.
but i agree with the way you guys think. if the cops dont show in the first 20 minutes i get to see how fast i can dig a hole
you know whats ####ed, my buddy accidentally set off the panic alarm in his house the other day, he shut it off. cops came an hour later to see what was going on. took a full hour
"Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."
Might want to take that into consideration, before typing such things.
As far as the shotgun, under the bed goes. What shotgun under the bed? Refer back to my previous quote. The only way that would be known is if you open your mouth, which you just did.
for the record my gun safe is under the bed, and i live in alberta...
our driving school instructor said the same thing to us, no lie, if you hit someone, back over them to make sure they dont sue you cause its easier for you that way
good points, thanks for the info. i have no idea where to find the none lethal stuff around me, all the places ive been to havent got anything fun like that to play with. where is margo located?
I don't know if it comes up that frequently...
But here's my thoughts.
First of all: forget making your own s**tty shells and fork out the $20-50 for some real "non-leathal" ammunition. This type of ammunition can be bought in Canada from Margo Supplies. Speficaly, you should buy either the rubber buckshot, rubber slugs, or bean bag rounds.
Second: Non of this "non-leathal" stuff is made for home defence. It's made for stuff like animal scaring and riot control. I say "non-lethal" because it could very easily still kill somone. Even if it does not kill them, you could still be charged for pointing/discharging your firearm at somone. Just look at that guy whos house got fire bombed and is facing criminal charges, eventhough he fired into the air!
Oh and one last thing: You may want to shoot to kill, you may want to shoot to harm, but if you really cant decide, just load the mag tube with and increasingly leathal load, such as:
- 2 Rounds Rubber buckshot
- 1 Rubber Slug/Bean Bag
- Remainder buckshot/slugs
And hey, just for s**ts, toss in a flare at the end, just in case its like that movie where the guys running away and there's a gas leak somewhere... Anyway, I digress...
After hearing many of the news stories
- and without advocating anything illegal - I genuinely think our society is heading in that direction...
Ardent
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I was refering to the "quotation marks". The words "non-leathal" come from the distributers.
Or do you disagree and think there's no chance it could kill someone? I'd be interested to know if the authorities thought the same, it would change my opinion on a few things.
Or do you disagree and think there's no chance it could kill someone? I'd be interested to know if the authorities thought the same, it would change my opinion on a few things.
less-lethal is the correct term, because as haagen dazs says - it can very easily still kill. I remember a show on t.v. that had a bunch of accidental firearm deaths from movies, there was one scene in a movie where an actor was to turn around quickly with a 12 ga., see a bad guy right behind him and pull the trigger, from the hip. They layered the guys chest/abdomen with cardbaord and used blanks that fired a cardboard wad. The actor fell and died due to the severe trauma to his abdomen. Also, using less lethal ammunition should show an interest in preserving human life, rather than just plain ending it. Using necessary force without over doing it, that is the point to such ammunition and the exact reason why LEO's use it. The hope is to wound the guy enough to get him to stop, without causing fatal inuries. Of course other factors like drugs and severe determination can make it non-effective, at which point he has been hit with rubber bullets to try and defend yourself appropriately, he kept coming and showed intent to kill or severely harm so you had no choice but to switch to full power lead to defend yourself from certain death. You had no desire to hurt or kill him, but had to because thats what he was trying to do to you. You respected his right to live by using less-lethal ammunition, but his intent to end your life was still clear and evident. But of course people are stupid enough to argue with all that, so none of it really matters. Just my 2 cents.
+1
This is no place for half measures and compromises, and especially hoaky home made non-lethal ammo.
ive heard of issues like that with law enforcement using bean bags and rubber bullets aswell for crowd control. i do agree with you which is why my original post was to see what people thought of the airsoft bb's as a none lethal alternative. lets face it no one wants to kill anyone but we all want to protect whats ours. a couple none lethal shots followed by a more permanent solution loaded in that order just incase things go wrong should be the way to go. knowing damn well that the law doesnt care what was shot in the first place and that they likely wont be sympathetic on us. although im sure most of the time the sound of a pump action shotty being racked is enough to cause most people to wet themselves and to not persue you anymore.
im all about protecting whats mine and more importantly my family. i guarantee id do anything to protect all of it and the unfortunate truth is that the criminal has just as much right in this stupid country as anyone else. if he falls down some stairs at my house hes gonna sue me cause they werent lit up to his liking and probably win.
ahh #### it, i keep thinking of a reason to justify not shooting someone with real ammo and it just angers me thinking of the home invasion my dad had a few years ago where a couple crack heads broke into his house and woke him up by pistol whipping him, zip tied his arms and tore through his house. and it pisses me off, and i hope those same crack heads try to do that to my house and that my dog will alert me of their presence in time for my to go to my upstairs gun storage area and meet them with a smile on my face barrel pointing at their ####en heads.
mudgunner49
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1. no no, the first two shells that would come out would be none lethal, the ones that follow would be hollow point slugs. even if the first was just a blank to audible deter someone.
2. but i agree with the way you guys think. if the cops dont show in the first 20 minutes i get to see how fast i can dig a hole
1. Once again, bad idea. If you have made the decision to pull the trigger, you have decided that lethal force is the appropriate option. The correct terminology is not non-lethal, it is less-lethal - lots of that $hit can still kill - just ask the chick who was killed a couple of years back in (I think Chicago) when she got whacked in the brain-cage by a baton round that bounced off the pavement.
You are into a whole different fix when you try to explain that you only intended to scare the dude who is laying on you living room floor dead. Do you know what that is classified as by the courts????
Negligence. Causing death. Easily upgradeable to homicide by an aggressive Crown.
You want to shoot potential bad guys with airsoft BB's, wax bullets, shotgun shells stuffed with unicorns and fuzzy purple bunnies, whatever - go ahead. I'm pretty sure that I won't be contributing to your legal defense fund (and you will need it) as you will be in fix of your own making...
2. don't assume that you know what others are thinking - that also is a recipe for disaster if you try it as a defence...
blake
+1
You have my vote for Prime Minister or CFO !!!Problem is... no matter what the law states it only matters how the courts apply the law: use of a firearm against another human being will likely get you jail time and a life-time firearms ban.
Liberals want you to roll over, get raped and die when the attacker comes at you. Sorry, In my opinion that is the way the laws seem to be applied regardless of what the laws say...
winnipegger
CGN frequent flyer
If you have to shoot, shoot lead and finish the job. Remember you though you were going to die so you had NO other option to save yourself. what i think it comes down to is the old cliche
Dead men tell no tales. (as the others have said make sure your story of events is the only one)
Dead men tell no tales. (as the others have said make sure your story of events is the only one)
sendmorebrains
Regular
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfKA-55K02w
OK so like just say you were playing airsoft and some dude shows up wanting to break into your trailer and so yea - its all good. Its only airsoft after all.
Make sure to wear jeans but no shirt and have the worn Remington 1100 on your lap as the LEOs and the ambulance show up at the driveway.
PS:For maximum effect make sure to have the dog barking from the window.
OK so like just say you were playing airsoft and some dude shows up wanting to break into your trailer and so yea - its all good. Its only airsoft after all.
Make sure to wear jeans but no shirt and have the worn Remington 1100 on your lap as the LEOs and the ambulance show up at the driveway.
PS:For maximum effect make sure to have the dog barking from the window.
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Its deeper than that, not as simple as cause and effect. Read through my post, if you could get those points across to a judge and jury, you would stand a chance against the government gun-owner-slaughtering-machine. Lawyers have a tendency to pick everything apart so your side of the story is no different. You cant just say "he pointed a gun at someone, so he automatically wanted to hurt and destroy that person" otherwise cops would be vicious outlaw murderers. Theyre not, and neither am I and apparently Uchi too. That doesnt mean you cant get buried by a fat-paid lawyer, but it means you do have a chance. And FWIW I'd have one less-lethal round in the chamber and a mag-tube full of lead. One chance...
1. Once again, bad idea. If you have made the decision to pull the trigger, you have decided that lethal force is the appropriate option. The correct terminology is not non-lethal, it is less-lethal - lots of that $hit can still kill - just ask the chick who was killed a couple of years back in (I think Chicago) when she got whacked in the brain-cage by a baton round that bounced off the pavement.
You are into a whole different fix when you try to explain that you only intended to scare the dude who is laying on you living room floor dead. Do you know what that is classified as by the courts????
Negligence. Causing death. Easily upgradeable to homicide by an aggressive Crown.
You want to shoot potential bad guys with airsoft BB's, wax bullets, shotgun shells stuffed with unicorns and fuzzy purple bunnies, whatever - go ahead. I'm pretty sure that I won't be contributing to your legal defense fund (and you will need it) as you will be in fix of your own making...
2. don't assume that you know what others are thinking - that also is a recipe for disaster if you try it as a defence...
blake
