Alex Robinson needs a kick in the nuts
- Thread starter Wally
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You're not alone. The Remington short action stocks from JAE have been on order for almost 4 years. JAE keeps promising them any day now (for the past 4 years) I had mine on order for about a year, got fed up, cancelled my order, got charged a $40 cancellation fee, and 3 years later they still haven't seen the light of day.
So should I count on getting an XCR-M in this lifetime or should I just leave my Wolverine preorder in my will to my grandkids?
Seriously, what in the name of f**k could possibly be taking so god damn long?
Careful... If you even dare to think that the customer should be treated fairly, Alex will call you a whiny high maintenance customer and bump you to the back of the line.
you mean the imaginary line
+1. Lets hope he takes his time on design, and production QC.
So should I count on getting an XCR-M in this lifetime or should I just leave my Wolverine preorder in my will to my grandkids?
Seriously, what in the name of f**k could possibly be taking so god damn long?
I own an XCR-L and am extremely satisfied and I'm also waiting for an XCR-M (in 243 Win, I hope) but we need to understand that US economy is really weak, much weaker than Canadian economy right now.
I can name you 10 good US companies which are slowing/stalling development of new products because of US's "Great Recession".
My guess is that Robinson Arms is a small company and launching an half-baked product in the current economic situation might well kill it!
Alex
- Location
- Montréal, Québec
The XCR is good enough for now. There is a real lack of choice when it comes to "tactical" semi .308s IMO but the M14 can fill the void until more come out.
I still want one of these....
I'd almost kill for one in 308 - but noooooooooo; no top feed 308, Bren gun wannabees for you
So should I count on getting an XCR-M in this lifetime or should I just leave my Wolverine preorder in my will to my grandkids?
Seriously, what in the name of f**k could possibly be taking so god damn long?
Unlike everyone else in this thread, I can give you a serious answer which I believe is unknown to most.
One of Robinson's suppliers for the XCR-M has had serious problems meeting Robinson's requirements, and that's a big part of the delay.
It turns out that it's actually taken several years (and some pretty impressive scientific research) to develop what is now known in the industry as "nuclear" Loctite.
Now that they have a form of Loctite which actually exceeds the strong nuclear force that holds atoms together, I have been assured there is a 70-80% chance the gun will actually stay in one piece.
So hold on...no doubt it will be released any day now.
No, I'm kidding...it won't be released for another couple of years. But they will keep "releasing" it at the next couple of SHOT shows. Well, near the next couple of SHOT shows, anyway.
NO. come on now....
He should have had them here by now, with no issues at all. It can't be that hard, just bumping up .223 to .308.
then when all of them f*ck up in some way, we can call him a chew him out for : a)taking so long to get here, b)not putting out a good product. c)for still taking so long. d) charging us so much money !
(being sarcastic on all that)
okay, flame suit on , but really, this is something I'd like to say:
From what I've seen, RA is a small shop, keeping production up and running for the current rifles (so you know.... they have money coming in to put towards the prototypes) while still working to basically design a new rifle from scratch.
-off the tops of our heads, do we know the sizes the gas ports should be in the adjustable gas block to reliably cycle most commercial and reloaded .308 ammo for barrel lengths from 11 - 18.6 inches?
-how the buffer should be constructed to withstand everything the bolt throws at it?
-how tight the springs used should be?
-reliable sources of materials that will be able to sustain massive amounts of production
It's not just making everything bigger for this xcr-m,
Personally, I would rather WAIT a little longer to know I have a rifle that has been tested, retested and constructed to the best of the manufacturer's knowledge and ability, not some half-baked scheme rushed into production because a bunch of people started whinging. Marking something like this could make or break a small company. Push something into production, have many issues, then have to pay to have ALL the rifles sent back because of a small faulty part.just like that, business done, in debt, with thousands of owners out there with no support for their previous rifles.
now this is just my 0.02, but at times we shooters act like little kids in a toy store, kicking and whinging when there's not something we want. then when we do find it : it's to expensiveeeee, it's not red tiger stripeeeee, it doesn't come in .50 bmg overkillll..... one part broke because I didn't do something righttttt.....
Your comment is B.S. He said if you act like an ####### you will be treated as such and the next customer who is polite will be served. Just being a customer doesn't give you the right to be an idiot. It is his choice to deal with rational customers first. If you act like an idiot and don't get everything you want it is time to suck it up. It had nothing to do with treating his customers fairly. Hey believe what you like.
misanthropist has raised a good point..... look at what rushing a product into production does :
.....leaves you the butt of Internet jokes every time someone brings up one of your products.
the newer xcr-l's have had this locktite problem fixed, yet on Internet threads, it refuses to die.
.....leaves you the butt of Internet jokes every time someone brings up one of your products.
the newer xcr-l's have had this locktite problem fixed, yet on Internet threads, it refuses to die.
yes..."fixed".
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- 54°52'56"N 112°10'7"W Alpha Bravo
Im sure because of the problems and the bad publicity he had initially with the XCR that he is taking his time with this model, he needs to make sure it's perfect. IMO he's got one more good kick at the can to impress the masses, this is his second chance so to speak.
- Location
- 54°52'56"N 112°10'7"W Alpha Bravo
That's how I conduct business in my company.
...That being said I've never had to issue a press release/##### fest statement to the public explaining this.
I haven't either. We recently saw a well respected barrel dealer in Canada fold things up because he is tired of dealing with idiots. Maybe if he did something similar to what Alex did it would have made a difference with the idiots. I doubt it but he is gone now.
One of my points here is it doesn't matter how good your product is or how good of a guy you are idiots will be idiots and it doesn't mean that the vendor is a poor businessman.
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