Alfa-proj Revolvers and Carbines available soon in Canada from Blue Line!!

plinker 777 said:
I don't get it, is that an advertisement for shooting drug fiends with rubber bullets, and that eastern Europe its legal, western Europe is a no?
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No, not at all.
It starts with a very sarcastic statemet. Basicly in plain english, they recommend the Hungarian subordinates to consume some of those influencing substances prior to watching the video. It is largely the explanation of the difrences between that revolver and a revolver for live ammunition. It can not be converted to fire live ammunition. Also, it is illegal to purchase in Hungary, but it can be legally purchased in other E.U. member ####ies, and owned in Hungary.
The only relevance of the video is, how simular loking to a live fireing revolver.
That's about it.
 
Give me a break. Did I or did I not say it started strange. The only point to me posting the video was to show someone who might not know how 9mm rimless works in a revolver. Sorry for trying to help. Grow up. That is how a 9mm is fired from a revolver. It's called a moon clip and loader tube. The gun you all are drooling over comes with 2 of those round clips and one of those tubes as shown in the video your mocking. It is the same set up as the Charter Arms Pitbull. Am I not correct Blue Line. And it took a woman to show you that. The video shows a blank revolver because that is what the company first produced, that and handcuffs. But that is how rimless cartridges are fired and ejected from a revolver. See following.

"The 9mm (9x19mm) steel frame revolver is manufactured by Alfa Proj, located in the historic firearms manufacturing city of Brno (Czech Republic). These revolvers are extremely popular in Europe.

Each 9mm revolver includes the following: hard case with foam inserts, two bore brushes, " two full moon clips" , " loading tube" , manual, and test target. Note: test target should not be taken as a true indicator of accuracy - target is to ensure the firearm is shooting straight. An experienced handgun shooter with quality ammunition will yield better groups than test targets provided with the revolvers."

That is copied off an American web site.
 
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These revolvers look nice, especially if the price is reasonable.

The original post gave me a chuckle - hope they actually produce "small arms, NOT "short arms"!
 
...'scuse me Kschnider. As I don't speak Czech or Hungarian my questions were sincere. You were far from clear in your post as to why you were posting it...if you were a man, you'd have realized this. I'm still at a loss as to why moon clips and loader tubes are a "problem"?
 
plinker 777 said:
...'scuse me Kschnider. As I don't speak Czech or Hungarian my questions were sincere. You were far from clear in your post as to why you were posting it...if you were a man, you'd have realized this. I'm still at a loss as to why moon clips and loader tubes are a "problem"?
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Your forgiven.I thought you were being a smart a**, sorry. Were you. It's hard to tell when not in person. Well I hope you were being sincere. I did say it was a strange video.I had no idea what the hell they were saying, it didn't matter to me. The only relevant part was how the clip and loader tube works. The moon clips can be a problem because they break. Probably why they give you 2.
Chambering revolvers for autoloading pistol cartridges is hardly new. The problem was first tackled before World War I. Chambering a revolver cylinder for a rimless autoloading revolver cartridge is not difficult. You simply cut the chamber to headspace off the case mouth just like a pistol barrel.

The problem arises when you wish to extract and eject the fired cases. In a swing-out cylinder or top-break revolver there is no rim for the star ejector to grasp. Due to this lack of a rim, fired cases are difficult to remove. Smith & Wesson developed a simple solution to this problem around 1908. They developed the “moon clip,” which held six cartridges by their extractor groove. With this device you simply dropped the entire loaded clip into the cylinder.

After firing your six, the clip, along with the empty cases, was easily ejected. The only downside was these full moon clips could be bent fairly easily, distorting them. The Ruger New Model Blackhawk Convertible is single action, so ejection is not a problem.

Class dismissed.
 
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btw plinker 777, is the GSG 1911 really a good gun. Just bought a SAM Omega 6 9mm, and was thinking of the GSG 1911 down the road. If it has lasted that long, 100,000 rounds, I think I will end up with one.
 
Thanks Kschneider, I believe the GSG 1911 to be the best .22 auto in its class. They do require a break in period (patience) but then they become very reliable. I have half a mind to slug the barrel just to learn how much wear 100,000 rounds achieves...I'll hypothesize not much (negligible) as the majority of my rounds were 40 grain round nose lead vs the copper washed .22's.

...btw, I was being sincere.
 
Very interested in a 9mm/.357 conversion model...hopefully there is different barrel length/finishes for it!!!
 
kschneider said:
Only problem is the moon clips and loader tubes. Video is not in english.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS1A9CmUhoY
Beginning of video is strange but keep watching.
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Thanks for this. It is a little weird but a nice change from the bearded hillbillies who make most gun videos.

For those who don't want to sit through ten minutes, loading moon clips appears to be easy (a snap, so to speak) but unloading without bending the clip needs a provided tool. Probably wiser to go .357.
 
Looking at the 9mm, the way it is designed, with the barrel inside the cylinder area, wouldn't it be able to have a shorter barrel. It would still be over 4" but shorter than normal outside the frame.
 
Looking at the 9mm, the way it is designed, with the barrel inside the cylinder area, wouldn't it be able to have a shorter barrel. It would still be over 4" but shorter than normal outside the frame.
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Correct. The machined cylinder and extended forcing cone turn a 4" revolver into a 4.2"

It would be a great revolver for IDPA style shooting.

Just buy lots of extra moon-clips, so you don't have unload/reload them between stages. Do all of your clip loading at home.
 
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