Allergic to monos?

My experience is monos don't kill as quickly as a lot of other bullets.

Even if they drop on the spot they still take longer to die.

I do have a few rifles that shoot them very accurately and I use them in those rifles.

Just my experience though! :)
 
I think the key with monos is to make sure you’re dropping down a weight or two from what you’d normally use in a lead core. The only marginal experience for me so far was my own fault when I hit a deer in the liver instead of boiler room and he required an extra effort. Push them fast and hit vitals nbd.
 
I like monos for moose and elk but really don't have any use for them for deer. I do like that there isn't lead splattered through out the meat like there can be with cup and core. I've shot 2 deer with monos, one 140 ttsx and 1 140 etip both from 7mm mag and they both died but did run a ways. The 3 moose I've killed with monos, 1, 140 etip and 2 150 ttsx from 308 have both died very quickly and 2 of the 3 bullets were recovered both being picture perfect mushrooms. I still feel that the trophy bonded tip is the best of both worlds but I can't get them to shoot in all guns but my 7-08 sure seems to like them.

I like to go down a few bullet weights with copper bullets and push them hard. I use 140 in 7mmmag and 150 in 308 but would go down to 120 and 130 respectively and not feel handicapped. Since you can expect 100 percent weight retention this makes sense to me.
 
I’m not allergic to monos. But I’ve noticed lately that I am allergic to deer. Eyes watering, wheezing etc. Moose no problem however...
 
My son and I have been using TSX/TTSX bullets for the last two years out of his 25-06 (100 gr) and my 300WBY (180 gr). I find that the bullets kill very effectively and efficiently. In two years, only one of twelve deer required a second shot and that was because my first shot was off of my knee at 250 yards (the doe bedded down a few steps later and then I proned out and put one just behind the shoulder). I get plenty of bang-flops, but I tend to crowd the shoulder. I'd rather lose a little meat on an animal that's easy to find than spend all day looking for an animal because I couldn't stand to lose a pound of hamburger.

I have found that, especially out of the 25-06, the exit wound is smaller than I would like to see. It still kills plenty fine, but if I had to follow a wounded deer through any kind of thick brush there would likely be very little blood to follow.

I've seen deer hit through the ribs with both cup and core bullets and monos take off on a dead run. Fortunately, being in the prairies, I can usually watch them until they pile up anywhere from 100 to 300 yards later.

The two main reasons I use monos are 1. they shoot well (in my experience), and 2. I don't end up with lead shrapnel inside the animal. If a guy isn't at all concerned about the bits of lead, I see no reason to shoot monos unless they're the best shooters. I don't think I'd shoot monos out of anything smaller than the 25-06 (except perhaps the varmint versions), and certainly not out of anything with a muzzle velocity of less than 2900 fps.
 
I use ttsx in my .338wm and my .260. They shoot great and have taken 4 moose and a truckload of deer with no drama.
 
I would like to see Barnes or someone come out with a bit more of a rapid expansion mono. Maybe with a larger cavity behind the tip of something. Or else expand the LRX line to include more weights per caliber as those bullets seem to open more readily. I would be ok with losing a petal or two in the sake of rapid ballistic tip type expansion for use on deer and similar. Until then I will continue crowding the shoulder and may try the appropriate LRX’s
 
Only reason is the rare time that the bullet might not expand properly. Any bullet will kill if hit properly. I use accubonds and have yet to see one come apart and that is on elk. I have been eating wild game for over 60 years & have yet to experience eating lead except in game birds. People use what works in their experience. Use what you want but don't think you are a saint just because you have a theory.
 
coyoteking said:
I’ve had the same experience. I won’t use them anymore in anything less than 30 cal.

I double-lunged a whitetail buck this year at 70 yards with a 243 shooting TTSX. He ran over 400 yards before laying down. The exit hole was exactly the same size as the entry, with minimal damage to the lungs. It performed about as well as a FMJ.
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Yup, I've seen similar things. I also had deer run a ways with Accubond double lung shots from close range high velocity cartridges (100 yards or less 300 WM and 243). Now I save the tough bullets for moose and shoot deer with more shrapnel-y bullets to dump more energy into the animal; they don't run much with a fist-sized exit hole! 2 feet straight down. I still get exit holes with an ELD-X but with the added benefit of a huge wound cavity. Heck, I got a 2" ENTRY hole through the ribs with my 200gr ELD-X AND it exited, quartering from behind the leg through the chest. You should have seen the fan spray of blood and gore in the snow... Ain't no kill like overkill.


chuck nelson said:
Mainly they hate them because they can’t shoot straight. And I’m not referring to the bullet.
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I don't hate them; they have their place on large animals. Especially if you're using a high velocity cartridge and your hunting conditions often don't give you time to wait for a lung shot. But for lung shots on deer-sized game I much prefer lead core bullets with fairly thin jackets. All these "premium hunting bullets" in mono-metal and thick jacket bonded cores just aren't needed for 200 lb critters. Of course, if you want a single load for all your hunting needs, a Barnes will do the job. It will bore a 1/2" to 3/4" hole through the chest cavity and the animal will die, usually in less than 30 seconds. Different strokes for different folks.
 
I used 127lrx in my 6.5prc this year on a moose. The moose did die eventually but was surprised at the very small exit hole with no blood. This was a double lung shot at about 145 yards.
 
Baribal said:
Not a bad idea. I shot several bears with the Barnes TSX @ 65 feet and it just drills them through.
AccuBond are much more efficient....
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Pick one. Accubond 130 and TSX 130 (it's apparent which is which). Both bang flops and recovered under the hide on the far side. Aside from a bit of lead in the meat, I'd say it was a wash. If your
monometal is not performing, it's because you're not sending them fast enough. Great respect for you on CGN, Baribal. :) Barnes vs Nosler AccuBond.jpg
 

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ok got it. 257 bee 3400'/se3c muzzle , about 150 yards on a white tail buck.
 
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ok got it. 257 bee 3400'/se3c muzzle , about 150 yards on a white tail buck.
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Obviously something fishy went on here. High impact velocity and you found it nearly intact? I would have expected it to exit if it did not expand properly, even if it did it should exit on a WT.

Did you hit the shoulder at an angle and cause it to deflect?
 
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