I'm assuming you've been to my thread and I gave my reasoning. It wasn't something I "heard" about monos. I was the one on the track that shouldn't have went more than 20-40 yards all 3 times. Instead they were all 100 plus yards with a couple specs of blood. Good thing I can track like a bloodhound.
Allergic to monos?
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I'm assuming you've been to my thread and I gave my reasoning. It wasn't something I "heard" about monos. I was the one on the track that shouldn't have went more than 20-40 yards all 3 times. Instead they were all 100 plus yards with a couple specs of blood. Good thing I can track like a bloodhound.
Leatherstocking
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No, Trapoholic I haven’t seen your thread. I’ll try to look it up.
Opps! Your very recent thread.
It is actually the inspiration for me posting this thread.
Opps! Your very recent thread.
It is actually the inspiration for me posting this thread.
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Most of them are just going to buy a box of whatever ammunition is the cheapest, anyway.
Its just a choice of words. Dump, transfer, expend. Bottom line is that that nasty mess is directly caused by the target animal slowing down or stopping the bullet. The faster it stops it the more damage is done to the unlucky animal. The slower it stops it the deeper it will penetrate and the less damage it will do along the way.
One could argue that bullet construction is just a way to manipulate the time and space over which the energy is transfered.
rifleman762
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100%. Any bullet fragments that stayed inside the animal transferred all of their kinetic energy into the animal (causing wounding). Bullet components that exit are still carrying kinetic energy with them. Bullets that don't expand as much will carry more energy out the other side. Bullets that don't make it to the vitals won't kill very well. Bullets that slow down more on the way to the animal (low BC, light for calibre bullets) have less energy to do damage to the animal.
It's all a balancing act with a Barnes TSX on one end of the spectrum and a Berger Hunting VLD on the other.
Energy dump translates to tissue damage. Greater tissue damage generally means more trauma and faster kills. Good old fashioned cup and core bullets don't get the credit they deserve on thin skinned game in the deer to moose range.
From the only 3 samples I've had to go on with monos they were extremely uninspiring. That 8 point in my avatar went about 15 yards. But he also had 2 180 grain interlocks fly through his chest cavity in maybe 3 seconds. His last 5 yards were sliding down the hill on his chin. Had he got out of sight a blood trail wouldn't have been a issue at all. He did end up with 3 holes in him, last one was behind his ear because he was gurgling trying to get air and I owe it to him to finish it right now.
I sold all mine after a bore scope view. They are not harder than Nosler Partition. It took forever to get that soft copper out of the barrel. But to each their own. If it works for you go with it. I have my own favorite. I shoot between 500 and 5000 rounds a year.
I'll agree with this regarding copper fouling. I've noticed it's quite heavy in my 375 HH, however, it doesn't affect accuracy for me at the moment. I used to be anal about cleaning it out until I realized it wasn't doing anything on this large of a bullet at the ranges I use it at (300 and under). Presumably this would be a larger problem on something smaller.
But as I said in an earlier post in this thread. I only use tsx's in 375 and lead based in everything else for a reason. Every bullet has its niche and specific purpose and suitability changes depending on exactly what you're looking for a bullet to do. I like the comments earlier in the thread about the bullet being the control over energy transfer dynamics. It's very apt and a fantastic way to describe it.
I definitely agree with this. I don't switch to a bonded bullet until I get to magnum chamberings. I actually just had an issue with my 308 carbine I use as a bush gun. 180 hot cores weren't expanding fast enough and giving quick kills. I'm switching to a softer bullet and hopefully rectifying the issue. Sometimes a softer bullet is the answer over a tougher construction.
BigUglyMan
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I've only used monos in a couple of rifles. In my 416 Rigby the 350gr X Bullet performed beautifully. Used them extensively in Africa in 2007 on everythign from springbok to kudu. On the other hand, in my 9.3x62 I couldn't get 286 TSX to go faster than 1950FPS. Certainly nowhere near as fast as a 286 should go. So I ####canned the idea and went back to a cup and core bullet result is a dead buffalo.
Mainly I haven't switched to monos because I have thousands of dollars in components on the shelves in my loading room (as evidenced by the grunting and complaining the movers made when they emptied out the room). Doesn't make it very attractive to change. I only load for about 9 different bullet diameters, but that makes for a lot of different bullets and a ton of powder and primers to work up new loads. All for what? Nothing I've ever shot has run off because of bullet failure (Shooter failure, yes. Bullet failure, no).
Mainly I haven't switched to monos because I have thousands of dollars in components on the shelves in my loading room (as evidenced by the grunting and complaining the movers made when they emptied out the room). Doesn't make it very attractive to change. I only load for about 9 different bullet diameters, but that makes for a lot of different bullets and a ton of powder and primers to work up new loads. All for what? Nothing I've ever shot has run off because of bullet failure (Shooter failure, yes. Bullet failure, no).
Ar180shooter
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I've taken 3 whitetails with .223's, 2 of them with Hornady GMX 55gr, the other with a Nosler partition and none of them went beyond 70 yards. I was unable to find any difference in performance, all expanded well and did exactly what they were supposed to. I've also used the GMX's extensively in .308 and have had similar results when compared to premium bonded bullets.
Me and my buddies have moved to barnes ttsx in .308 and .30-06, 7-08. Super accurate, so far on a sample of about 5 deer and one bear over the past two years, all have been pass-thrus (except the bear), no animal went further than 50m before dropping dead and a couple dropped on the spot. All deer were thru and thru; Entrance and exit hole sizes indicated proper expansion.
The bear took a round square on the shoulder, the .308 TTSX bore clean though the bone, passed though the vitals, and bore into the far shoulder where it stayed. Literally lights out flattened the bear.
Now lets be honest, shot placement trumps all, and every animal is going to react differently based on the circumstances. Shoot em through both lungs and or the shoulder with a good bullet and they ain't going far. That being said, I prefer the 'non-lead' feature of the monos.
The bear took a round square on the shoulder, the .308 TTSX bore clean though the bone, passed though the vitals, and bore into the far shoulder where it stayed. Literally lights out flattened the bear.
Now lets be honest, shot placement trumps all, and every animal is going to react differently based on the circumstances. Shoot em through both lungs and or the shoulder with a good bullet and they ain't going far. That being said, I prefer the 'non-lead' feature of the monos.
I had to try them, being a Hornady fan I went GMX. They functioned flawlessly for me but I'll stay with the good old copper/lead offerings of Hornady. But I had to try them because you never know when BC might become California of the North, and make us to go lead-free.
rifleman762
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