Drop one on the floor these days and I'm crawling on my hands and knees with a headlamp searching!
Ammo on the reloading bench
- Thread starter dearslayer
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Drop one on the floor these days and I'm crawling on my hands and knees with a headlamp searching!
Drop one on the floor these days and I'm crawling on my hands and knees with a headlamp searching!
Magnet safe to use??
Not Really, see below.
Still defaults to dwelling or storage unit, as with anyone not selling and without selling there is no law that states you have to lock anything up, just has to be in your dwelling or storage unit.
Storage requirements for sellers
As a retailer, you are permitted to buy, sell and store ammunition (small arms cartridges) without an explosives licence.
If you hold an explosives licence, the ammunition must be stored in the magazine specified in your licence.
If you do not hold a licence, the ammunition displayed for sale must be stored in a sales establishment. Any ammunition not displayed for sale must be stored in a dwelling or storage unit.
You are permitted to store up to 225 kilograms of ammunition (the mass of the explosive excluding the packaging, container, shell casing or projectile) intended for sale in a dwelling (such as a house, apartment or cottage) or a storage unit without a license. To store more than 225 kilograms of ammunition, you must have an explosives licence.
- Location
- Western Manitoba
^ That is an interesting regulation - most smokeless powder is NOT explosive - but usually black powder and probably primers are. In the same sentence it uses the word "ammunition" and "explosive" as if they were the same thing (or at least implies that "ammunition" contains "explosive") - no doubt some lawyer would make a bazillion dollars making that distinction in one's defence. So the last paragraph - does that mean the weight of the smokeless powder, the weight of the primer, both, or what?
Of course, it is possible that the source of that regulation may have defined the terms "ammunition" and "explosive" to mean what they want it to mean - not the meaning found in a dictionary, in physics or in other regulations.
Of course, it is possible that the source of that regulation may have defined the terms "ammunition" and "explosive" to mean what they want it to mean - not the meaning found in a dictionary, in physics or in other regulations.
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After I completed my hand loading I store-away all the ammo..............hell, it only takes seconds to do. Components can remain on the bench if a person wishes to continue the same or following day, except the gun powder.......only takes seconds to store-away.
I haven't heard of this one before. I would love to know more if anyone knows the specific case Ted is mentioning.
mactroneng
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
Section 86 CCC – Careless Storage of Firearm (or Ammunition)
Careless use of firearm, etc.
86(1) Every person commits an offence who, without lawful excuse, uses, carries, handles, ships, transports or stores a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition in a careless manner or without reasonable precautions for the safety of other persons.
Contravention of storage regulations, etc.
(2) Every person commits an offence who contravenes a regulation made under paragraph 117(h) of the Firearms Act respecting the storage, handling, transportation, shipping, display, advertising and mail-order sales of firearms and restricted weapons.
Punishment
(3) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1) or (2)
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment
(i) in the case of a first offence, for a term not exceeding two years, and
(ii) in the case of a second or subsequent offence, for a term not exceeding five years; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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Not likely to be charged with careless storage of ammunition but claiming that it does not exist is
I mean yes, technically correct, but you're not gonna get convicted unless there is something there that contravenes the Explosives Act, unless the careless storage is in relation to a firearm (or perhaps trying to claim that you transferred completed ammunition to someone without a license, although I think it would be a hard sell because they'd have to prove purposely transferred it vs someone taking it without your permission).
The only possible ammunition-only related charge that comes up, not involving guns or other people, is if you happened to have more that 225 kg of powder inside ammunition on site. Which would be almost 87,000 rounds of the 308 load I worked on recently... some of you may be at that level but I'm certainly not.
Never tried that but I highly doubt there is any ferrous metal in a primer.
nowarningshot
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
They'll charge you for empty components such as cases, or bullets. Powder and primer, ditto.
Correct, non magnetic.
- Location
- WMU247 near Edmonton
interesting that this should come up. I was depriming some random spent ammo and one of the anvils was ferric and did stick to one of the many random magnets I have on my work bench.
I found that really odd so I tried to find more that would stick but there was only that one, I have no idea what type of ammo it was.
dropping a primer.... I'm crawling around looking for it, they are just too expensive to let one go to waste, and I might roll the chair over it.
Last primers I bought were years ago and cost $62/1000, I thought that was crazy expensive.... I shudder thinking about having to buy some today.
Hold on. They'll charge you for unprimed empty cases and unseated bullets that aren't locked up?? Has that happened, successfully, to people with valid PALs that didnt have other firearms charges?
That stuff just sits on shelves at the LGSs, no lock and key.
I need to break out my Google-Fu. Never heard/read of this before.
lol 
RJ
dearslayer
Regular
- Location
- On The Edge
FYI..just so you know I did watch the entire video and I'm quite aware about not letting cops in without a warrant but thanks for pointing that out!! As mentioned earlier my so called situation is nowhere near precarious so not sure where you are coming up with that nonsense. Jesus if you would care to read the original post it clearly states that it was a simple conversation at work just like anyone would have on any given day about just about any subject and people have different opinions on different scenarios. I just thought I'd get some normal feed back nothing more nothing less. I love how some folks on here love to assume and attack while twisting the subject so suit their response! Just wow! FFS!!!
mactroneng
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- SW Ontario
If you want to get real technical, a real a$$hole of a cop can charge you with anything, anywhere, anytime. It doesn't mean the charges will stick. Quit living on fear of your own shadow, this sort of behavior makes it easier for the government to strangle the rest of us with additional laws and regulations because they think it doesn't affect many people and/or only affects "extremists".
The FA or related regulations (include on prohibited weapons and ammo) make no mention of ammunition components. Those would all be covered under other laws, ex. the Explosives Act.
AP ammunition is prohibited and 50 BMG rifles are prohibited yet you can still legally buy 50 BMG brass and primers, and auction houses are still selling 50cal AP projectiles.
THIS
The people mindlessly following every rule to the maximum possible extent obviously don't understand that the majority of cops don't know much about the laws they are enforcing. It is entirely possible to get charged for something that is not even against the law, because some cop just doesn't like it or doesn't like you. The extent you go to comply with stupid, illogical laws is completely irrelevant. If the law wants to charge you, it will.
I have a privacy lock on the door of my reloading room. When I'm done for the day, I lock the door when I leave. The intention is not to pass intense legal scrutiny but just to keep casual visitors/guests out.
