ammo situation worsening.... and worsening..... and worsening ....... May 5, updated

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harbl_the_cat said:
The effect of this, I believe, is rather than creating a peak to a new price high and a crash back to it's original price, this dynamic of consumers with no bias at a lower price will create a peak, and leveling off at new highs where consumers s will be forced to accept a new price reality, rather than returning to a previously "normal" price.
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exact same thing for gasoline, $1.30 is "normal" now, how could it ever go down if consumers find it acceptable that its that high
 
took a nice jump after HST was introduced, thank you premier dad

I find it outrageous, but its either drive less or pay, and since you have to drive to work, and everywhere else....

oh and my car needs premium, so its 12 cents more than regular in respectable stations (no thanks petro "ripoff" canada)
 
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I've picked up near 25 pounds of powder lately. I'm in Regina this next week and I'll pick up 1 or 2 more.

And reloading equipment as well!! It's getting awful hard to find itself! I had to look all over for a simple Pro-Auto Disc measure. Speaking to a few of the guys that usually carry more stuff, they don't have it. Look at the warning on Budget Shooters home page.

CS.
 
I am going to stop at the store in the Shuswap today, will buy some more powder if they have what I use. Shortages are showing up and the proactive are starting to look like they knew what they were doing.

I am going to do a inventory of everything we have just to be on the safe side.

The link posted in #265 is interesting and shows what is actually happening in the US.
 
I usually go stateside every few weeks for groceries and cannot help but go into local gun stores to see what they have that we don't gun wise... went into three different stores, pretty much all that was in stock was shotgun ammo and the odd box here and there, absolutely no .22LR.

I have no idea why the draw on .22LR.

Started talking with a couple good ol boys down there and they said as soon as Obama got re-elected they went to Walmart and bought out all the .22 that was there... then started talking that they cannot find anything anywhere... so I had to tell them that we've got piles of it up here and too bad Clinton screwed them out of imports from China as I can get 1,600 round crates of .223 for $450 and .22 has cases and cases at home at the time being. the guy working the counter said that most of the country was out but Texas was fully stocked... that is when I mentioned all the new gun owners buying guns and ammo fearing a ban and said that pretty much everyone in Texas already had guns and ammo so didn't need to panic buy.

One thing I DID notice was a a huge price difference in guns lately... I used to go down and see how much cheaper everything was down there... saw two guns that stood out... I saw a Marlin 1895GBL for $100 more than I paid and then I was looking for a shotgun and was looking at the Benelli M4, up here they seem to be $2100-2300.... down there, $3200, my jaw nearly hit the floor!
 
enfield303t said:
I am going to stop at the store in the Shuswap today, will buy some more powder if they have what I use. Shortages are showing up and the proactive are starting to look like they knew what they were doing.

I am going to do a inventory of everything we have just to be on the safe side.

The link posted in #265 is interesting and shows what is actually happening in the US.
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What is happening?

The article explained nothing but to say that supply is up, but demand because of fear-mongering is higher.

The article pointed out that none of the conspiracies of regarding lack of supply are warranted, and manufacturers are actually using OT to produce more than normal, but demand is still up.

So what does that tell someone about the long term and where supply and prices are going to go?

SACRAMENTO, CA - A more than month-long shortage of ammunition is showing no sign of easing across the country.

"I'm over here today trying to buy .22's just because there's a shortage," said frequent target shooter Rhonda Calbreath of Davis, as she hoped to find a couple of boxes at the Just Guns store in Sacramento.

"We just came from a store down the road and they have no .22's and no .9's," said Calbreath, referring to .22-caliber and 9mm ammunition, two of those in shortest supply.

"And the prices are outrageous," she added.

Calbreath is just one of millions of target and recreation shooters across the county who are wondering why ammunition is so short and prices so high.

There is no shortage of speculation.

"The government, the military's buying everything up, Homeland Security's buying everything. I've heard that there's ammo sitting at the docks, but the President won't let it out," said Just Guns owner Josh Deaser, as he summarized some of the most commonly-held theories he hears from frustrated gun owners.

But government purchasing records show nothing out of the ordinary in recent months and years.

Ammunition makers insist they are working overtime to keep up with demand. And that may be the biggest reason, Deaser believes.

"I think there's just more people wanting to buy ammo then there is ammunition," Deaser said. "Especially this state, they want to ban everything, so it's like ok, people are afraid they're not gonna be able to get it again, so they're buying it."

But it's not just in California.

"I was in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago. Their Walmarts don't have anything. Texas doesn't have anything," customer Ron Holden said.

Deaser believes a new kind of customer is helping run up demand.

"We have a lot of new customers who before never thought about buying a gun," Deaser said.

Deaser said he's seeing many new entrants to the gun and ammo market who worry they may soon have to pay more for both - if they can get them at all.

"I actually had a conversation with a gentleman the other day who never wanted to buy a gun but who, because they're gonna ban 'em, bought an AR - well, he ended up buying two," said Deaser, referring to the AR-15 assault rifle.

For Calbreath, it's extremely frustrating.

"We like to shoot .22's, target practice, and do it pretty regular and it's not out there," Calbreath said.

And she sees a peculiar irony.

"They can buy a gun but they can't buy the ammo to shoot it with," she said.
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Hmmm, stockpiling by people who are driven by fear, and manufacturers putting out more product than ever.

I wonder where this ends. ;)

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/gun-owners-stockpile-ammunition-crate-nationwide-ammo-shortage
Gun Owners Stockpile Ammunition By The Crate In Nationwide Ammo Shortage

Promoting the idea that President Barack Obama is the best gun salesman of all time, looming national gun control legislation is pushing gun owners to buy ammunition faster than manufacturers can make it.

The Washington Post reports that retailers in New York have been setting up roped-off lines for gun owners, who arrive at opening time like some sort of Second Amendment-inspired Black Friday shopping spree. Many stores are restricting the number of ammunition boxes that each customer can buy.

Similarly, firearm distributors in North Carolina have reported that they are selling ammunition, “as fast as [they] can get it in.”

A quadruple whammy sparked this nationwide gun grab. Conservative gun rights advocates first worried about impending gun control legislation after Obama was reelected. Just a few months later, gun rights support took a serious blow after the Sandy Hook tragedy. And now, gun rights advocates feel even more threatened as the US government prepares for legislation that would require universal background checks and the United Nation’s Arm Trade Treaty.

To make matters worse, some gun rights proponents worry that the government has been hoarding bullets, which simultaneously lowers the supply and fuels the fears of those who want guns as a defense against overreaching government authority.

Many of these fears may be unfounded. Hornady, a prominent ammunition manufacturer centered in Nebraska, assures the public that less than five percent of their sales go towards government entities, and they have been running the production lines on some items 24 hours a day. The website states, "We are producing as much as we can; much more than last year, which was a lot more than the year before, etc. No one wants to ship more during this time than we do. We appreciate everyone's understanding and patience. We don't know when the situation will improve, so please bear with us a little longer.”

Bruce Martindale, a champion marksman from New York, adds that, all things considered, this isn’t terrible news for gun rights advocates. Gun sales are thriving and Americans everywhere are arming themselves in record numbers. He adds, “This is legitimate gun owners buying. I don’t think criminals are stockpiling.”
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Oh Please !

liberal media spreadin propaganda .... suppose you believe everything on the CBC aswell

wake up for crying out loud





critter928 said:
What is happening?

The article explained nothing but to say that supply is up, but demand because of fear-mongering is higher.

The article pointed out that none of the conspiracies of regarding lack of supply are warranted, and manufacturers are actually using OT to produce more than normal, but demand is still up.

So what does that tell someone about the long term and where supply and prices are going to go?
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dimeN said:
Oh Please !

liberal media spreadin propaganda .... suppose you believe everything on the CBC aswell

wake up for crying out loud
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First off, it was not my article and was used to justify the shortage by someone else, and I said it didn't, so A) it was not my "propaganda" and B) explains nothing either way.

But since you think there is something that everyone else is sleeping through, kindly tell me then what is happening.
 
FWIW, high end target 22 ammo is getting bought up in bulk in the U.S. it too is disappearing at over $1250 a case, ouch. who's buying?
 
critter928 said:
What is happening?

The article explained nothing but to say that supply is up, but demand because of fear-mongering is higher.

The article pointed out that none of the conspiracies of regarding lack of supply are warranted, and manufacturers are actually using OT to produce more than normal, but demand is still up.

So what does that tell someone about the long term and where supply and prices are going to go?
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You did read the article..right?? It says what it says...right??f:P:
 
Stopped at the store in the Shuswap today and the gentlemen from Calgary did but a lot of powder. One of the employees told me that Calgary is pretty much void of powder and that is why they made the trip. Said the store owner bought powder every opportunity he could and it is paying off.

I bought a pound today, paid more than I have at the store I normally use however they were nice to deal with and now I have a little more.

I like a friend of mine that posts here have "stock piled" a decent amount of ammo over the last few years not because of what is happening in the US but bought when the price was good as we do a fair amount of shooting. I do admit I did buy 10,000 primers and some extra powder and bullets when I saw the SHTF in the US.
 
I am waiting for the stockpile estate sales...

I have seen this several times before where a guy has hoarded a nice cache of ammo, dies and the wife or children don't shoot or hunt and just want it gone (usually at a 1/4 price)

The other thing that I have seen personally is the need for quick cash (car/house repair) and instantly a small stockpile sells for half of what was originally paid.

Sooner or later the fear mongering and panic buying will stop and there will be a glut of ammo. And with A LOT of people trying to unload it, the prices will drop.

Either way, win win.
 
You are probably right bluesclues, I'm pretty sure many buyers are panicking and pumping up their credit card debt beyond what they can afford just to purchase huge amounts of ammo, once this catches up to them there is only one way out, sell!
 
Was in Cabela's today and it was the worst levels yet - by far!

22lr is dwindling fast at Cabela's in Edmonton.

that top shelf that you've seen me post pictures of online is now no longer for 22lr. It's stuffed with various other things. There are now only three boxes (cases) of federal bulk, down to maybe 10-12 wildcats. No federal ammo cans. No CCI minimags either in bulk or in tray form.

When they take away shelf space from the 22lr - especially such a massive, giant shelf - right before the beginning of prairie dog season, there's a problem.
 
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