ammo situation worsening.... and worsening..... and worsening ....... May 5, updated

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So now the U.S. police departments are running low on ammo, so much so that they are carrying less round in their mags.

http://cnsnews.com/blog/gregory-gwy...beg-and-barter-ammo-while-dhs-buys-16-billion

This is incredible. While the DHS is buying billions the actual law enforcers are forced to ration. It will be a long time before this sorts out. In talking with many retailers, the story remains the same. The suppliers are dry!!!! its not like it keeps rolling in and they can then distribute a little here and there, they are dry, can't get it. One department of the U.S. government is buying all they can, leaving little for all else. Where else is the ammo going? millions of rounds are produced each day, yet that ammo is not making it into circulation, where is it going? Not a dooms-dayer, just observing what is happening on our store shelves, and its not at all cool in any way.

When the Police can't get ammo, its time to take a hard look at what's happening.

a bulk pack of 22's is sure going to make a nice Birthday gift and Christmas gift this year.



updated April 5, the ammo buying is NOT slowing down,

Ammunition flies off store shelves amid new restrictions, fears
Published April 05, 2013
Associated Press

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...mmo-flying-off-store-shelves/?intcmp=trending


Once again the gun and ammo buying is ramping up even further, here is the latest updated April 23, 2012

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...es-Continue-To-Surge-Following-Boston-Bombing

GUN, AMMO SALES SURGE AFTER BOSTON MARATHON BOMBING
by AWR HAWKINS 23 Apr 2013, 1:41 AM

The surge in gun and ammo purchases that began after Sandy Hook and continued through the Senate's failed gun control vote appears to have picked up steam again following the Boston Marathon bombing. For example, at the Syracuse Gun Show on the New York State Fairgrounds last weekend, so many people showed up that some had to wait in line more than two hours just to get into the gun show. Those that waited did so on a windy day, amid sleet and snow flurries.
Moreover, for this specific gun show, few people came to sell guns; most came to buy them and find the ammo they needed for their guns at home.
Jeff Dillard, who runs the National Armory in Pompano Beach, FL, said the combination of the "terrorist attacks" and possible gun control legislation put people into a "panic situation" again.
He said acquiring ammunition and ammunition components is getting more and more difficult: "Our [ammunition] vendors are telling us not only are they out of stock but some are two to three million [bullets] in back order. They won't even take our orders because they don't know when they'll be able to fill them."



Updated Again, May 5,
For all the naysayers and non-beleivers, here is another article from May 3, 2013 showing DHS is still in the ammo buying business, due to their hoarding supply is short for the shooters


http://www.infowars.com/dhs-seeks-millions-more-rounds-of-ammunition/

DHS Seeks Millions More Rounds of Ammunition

Market survey asks companies if they can provide 2 million bullets within 30-60 day period
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
May 3, 2013
The Department of Homeland Security has released a market survey asking companies if they are able to provide 2 million rounds of ammunition within a short time period, increasing concerns that the federal agency is continuing its arms build up in preparation for domestic unrest.
 
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Yup. Thought it was alot of Hype and wouldn`t reach me. My waaly world had about 5-6 row, two high and about 5-6 deep of the Federal 525 bulk pack 22`s. Not no more, totally sold out. Even the crap stuff is disappearing.
 
Well, well, well.
That is one crafty way of disarming the population (populace)
AND the police (who might try to serve and protect the population
should the need arise, against an enemy, foreign or domestic.)

I'm talking about the USA, of course, but it does affect us here up North.
 
dizzy said:
a bulk pack of 22's is sure going to make a nice Birthday gift and Christmas gift this year.
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Please add me to your Christmas list. :)


riderrick said:
you must know some special people......i'd give gold before ammo...:D
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Same to you. :D


3strokes said:
Well, well, well.
That is one crafty way of disarming the population (populace)
AND the police (who might try to serve and protect the population
should the need arise, against an enemy, foreign or domestic.)

I'm talking about the USA, of course, but it does affect us here up North.
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Dun dun dun...
 
From the articles I have read regarding ammunition supplies in the U.S. it appears that hoarders and speculators are the culprits. Walmart USA has a three box limit per day. Aside from the hoarders there are small time operators who are recruiting family and friends and basically anyone they can find whether they own guns or not to wait in line at the sports counter in as many Walmart locations as possible to purchase their daily allotment.

This ammunition is then sold for a quick profit to anyone who is desperate enough to buy it or listed on sites such as Armslist
 
It's the toilet paper shortage all over again. Rumor of shortage causes people to panic buy, which causes shipments to sell in hours, which results in many people seeing continually empty shelves and thus spreading more rumors of shortages.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
It's the toilet paper shortage all over again. Rumor of shortage causes people to panic buy, which causes shipments to sell in hours, which results in many people seeing continually empty shelves and thus spreading more rumors of shortages.
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Oh my god!! There is a shortage on TOILET PAPER???
 
darcy32171 said:
Yup. Thought it was alot of Hype and wouldn`t reach me. My waaly world had about 5-6 row, two high and about 5-6 deep of the Federal 525 bulk pack 22`s. Not no more, totally sold out. Even the crap stuff is disappearing.
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My local Wally World has probably a good 100 boxes of the stuff, at least on Monday when I went and bought some.
 
Stevebot-7 said:
It's the toilet paper shortage all over again. Rumor of shortage causes people to panic buy, which causes shipments to sell in hours, which results in many people seeing continually empty shelves and thus spreading more rumors of shortages.
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not quite true. there is an substantial increase of demand with many new buyers now. folks who never thought of owning firearms are getting into the game. the number of asses never tripled during the carson paper shortage
 
3strokes said:
Well, well, well.
That is one crafty way of disarming the population (populace)
AND the police (who might try to serve and protect the population
should the need arise, against an enemy, foreign or domestic.)

I'm talking about the USA, of course, but it does affect us here up North.
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And who is this domestic "enemy" that is behind such a plot and wishing to "disarm" the populace?

And what do you think their goal is once they are disarmed? To what end?

If you are going to have such theories, you must have a who and why.
 
Fender57 said:
From the articles I have read regarding ammunition supplies in the U.S. it appears that hoarders and speculators are the culprits. Walmart USA has a three box limit per day. Aside from the hoarders there are small time operators who are recruiting family and friends and basically anyone they can find whether they own guns or not to wait in line at the sports counter in as many Walmart locations as possible to purchase their daily allotment.

This ammunition is then sold for a quick profit to anyone who is desperate enough to buy it or listed on sites such as Armslist
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
 
The difference between what's going on in the US vs the toilet paper mania I think is because hordes of previously non-gun owning Americans who always assumed it would always be an inalienable right are realizing that's might not be the case for much longer and are willing to pay any price to get their hands on something before it's too late. People who weren't consumers of guns are jumping into the fray, creating this frenzy, whereas with toilet paper, everyone buying into it were already using/buying it/realized the longstanding value of it. At the same time, gun owning Americans who always assumed they could just go to Walmart or wherever to buy ammo are feeling the pinch and getting drawn into it. A lot of Fudds fall into this category.

The effect of this, I believe, is rather than creating a peak to a new price high and a crash back to it's original price, this dynamic of consumers with no bias at a lower price will create a peak, and leveling off at new highs where consumers s will be forced to accept a new price reality, rather than returning to a previously "normal" price.

Think of it this way. If you've never bought an AR-15 before, and you bought one for $10,000 - $10,000 for you is your baseline price whereby anything lower would seem "cheap" and motivate you to buy more. Even if AR's were $1500-$2000 previously, if you bought at $10,000 it doesn't matter what the previous price was - you didn't get into the market back then and missed out.

Conversely, if you bought toilet paper for $0.50/roll your entire life, and the price suddenly went to $100/roll - you have a lifetime of experience to tell you to try to wait as long as you can, until it goes back to $0.50 again, since $100/roll seems ridiculously expensive and you have a liftime of purchases to back that perception up.

I think this buying spree in the US is the former, which is why I don't quite expect guns and ammo to return back to the prices they were 2-3 years ago. They may come down from where they are, but I don't think in the long term, the price will return to what people who have been into guns for the past 5-10 years are accustom to.

Yes there are capitalists (like myself) who long in advance saw this coming and are reaping the benefits of their foresight - but these people, imo, are the hero's of the day. That's not to say retailers are villains either - they're just doing what they need to to stay in business (adjusting their prices to ensure their supply can realistically keep up with demand without creating shortages).

That said, if I bought 10 crates of Norinco .223 today for $420/crate, and a year from now, if US consumption creates a market dynamic that drives the price of ALL .223 up 100% - if the retailers up here adjust their prices to sell those same crates for $840 - I'd be doing anyone in the market for .223 a favour by selling it them for $800/crate.

The consumers doing the panic buying (or criticizing) are the making their decisions (or judgments) based on emotions, rather than logic. Ammunition is a commodity with a market, and in every market, letting emotions guide your decisions is a surefire recipe to end up a) broke and/or b) with nothing.

The real people to blame and the real villains are the government. Gun bans or the perceived threat of gun bans are nothing more than government manipulation and intervention into the market. Wild price swings (either up or down) for any thing are always traceable to government intervention into marketplaces.
 
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The criminal element down there,or anywhere else for that matter,is probably well stocked and if they ran short they would just steal it from those who do have it.Can't see them running out one way or the other.
 
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