An m14 not a norinco m305

Get BOTH! I've owned all of them! :D

Now I have both Remmy M700's AND a Surgeon 591 sniper rig. Save yer money up by quitting smoking then quit drinking, you will be amazed at how fast you can save. :wave:

Cheers,
Barney
 
wcmd said:
The Springfield M1A cast receiver is made in Quebec Canada.

"As of February, 2004, Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A receivers are made by Alphacasting, Inc. in St-Laurent, Quebec, Canada for Springfield Armory, Inc. Alphacasting, Inc. makes the M1A receiver by the lost wax investment casting method. In business since 1991, it is a precision casting firm that makes parts from aluminum, bronze, and many grades of carbon and stainless steels. At Springfield Armory, Inc., all basic rifle assemblers have a minimum of two years experience assembling rifles before they are allowed to assemble rifles on their own. A rifle is test fired with five rounds for function and has to function through all five rounds or it doesn't get shipped. If it fails for any reason, it gets torn down and rebuilt. Then the rifle is tested for five rounds again."

wcmd
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LOL. Well, as an Albertan that has been putting up with the stink of Quebec for decades...I will not buy anything made in Quebec either if I can avoid it. They are both scum sucking commie ******** in my scholarly opinion...and the Chicoms are more price competitive.
 
Glenfilthie said:
LOL. Well, as an Albertan that has been putting up with the stink of Quebec for decades...I will not buy anything made in Quebec either if I can avoid it. They are both scum sucking commie ******** in my scholarly opinion...and the Chicoms are more price competitive.
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LMFAO.....................So true
 
I bought a totally accurized Norc M305, but it actually does say on the Receiver M14S. I bought it because it already sported an ARMS#18 Scope Mount, and an Original Springfield Armory Scope. I Loved this rifle so much, that I wanted a top-of-the-line M14S. After much investigation, I settled on a Custom LRB with the M25 Scope Mount Slots, and put the Original Springfield Armory Scope on the LRB. It made for a deadly accurate Tack Driver that I love. This is my 'never' sell rifle. I had some original problems with the LRB, like they forgot to grind out the Op Rod cut-out to dismantle the rifle, but M14 Doctor did an excellent job fixing this manufacturing defect. So I still have an accurized Norc M14S that is extremely accurate with just the iron sights, and my LRB, who I show only to enthusiasts. When I take it to the Range, I take both, but everyone wants to handle the LRB.
 
ROFL!

I get a kick out of people who write that they won't buy a Norinco because it's Chinese.

The OP should check the origin of ALL of his clothing and household goods... not to mention electronics and car components.

This isnt a flame... but really?
 
Stevo said:
Are your beliefs worth 5 times the money?
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I believe they are. I have paid $800-$1200 for a COLT 1911. There is a deal in the EE right now for a 1911 and 1000 rounds of .45ACP for $499. I did not even consider it. (1). I don't like supporting Communist China. (2). It is not the quality I'm looking for. Many of us feel this way; many of us don't.
 
Katana said:
If your against buying things from China your might want to reevaluate your buying. I'd bet 90-95 percent of what you buy comes from China. Don't try to convince yourself that if you don't buy a Chinese Nork that your doing someone a favour.
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I remember when you could buy North American tv's, stereos, and other electronics. The Japanese started dumping into the market. They were advertised as cheaper and better. It seemed to become fashionable to buy Japanese and trash anything made here. Now you can't find anything made here.
In the early '90's, I drove truck for a company that can credit it's initial growth and success to transporting 50-60 tractor trailer loads of plastic tv cabinets per week from RCA in Prescott, On to the RCA assembly plant in Indianapolis, In. Eventually The Indianapolis plant moved to Mexico and our loads were forwarded there by another carrier. A few years later, the Prescott plant closed and now RCA has nothing left in N.A. but customers.
Sure, I buy lots of products made in China. If I didn't, I'd have nearly nothing to buy.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
The differance between a norc and a LRB is night and day. The lrb is smooth and well fit, the norc even after you trick it out (which costs more then the lrb to fully do) its still a rough action in comparison. Its worth every penny you spend. Most lrb arms are tack drivers out of the box, there is a reason the usmc picked them up as marksmen rifles.
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They picked them up because they had boxes of them in storage readily available. No sense buying a new style of rifle when the old one will do for free.

As for a tuned norc costing as much as a fresh out of the box springfield, you may want to look here....

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?667270-Norinco-M14-Rebuild-amp-Face-Lift-From-The-Ground-Up-Project-Complete-01-23-2012

Plus, a certain kind of satisfaction in building a rifle up on your own. Something money can't buy.
 
"...against my believes..." Against your what?
"...Springfield is the way to go if..." Pretty much your only option. Few, if any, of the other U.S. M1A style rifle builders export.
 
Lost...again said:
Springfield is the way to go if you dont want a Norc..but you will pay a premium price. A Springfield is way out of my reach, but even if I had the money I wouldnt buy one. I dont believe they are worth the price they command.........its all about labels in the end.
I like to think Im putting food on the tables of those little Chinese kids, after a hard day in the Norinco factory.
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Ya Chinese kids have to eat too. So when I open the box and the sight is crooked I will have to look at like a preschooler art project. It isn't build to spec but it was put together as best a little kid could do on his first day at the plant.
 
Nelson84 said:


Ya Chinese kids have to eat too. So when I open the box and the sight is crooked I will have to look at like a preschooler art project. It isn't build to spec but it was put together as best a little kid could do on his first day at the plant.
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Yer funny
 
unlisted.handle said:
I bought a totally accurized Norc M305, but it actually does say on the Receiver M14S. I bought it because it already sported an ARMS#18 Scope Mount, and an Original Springfield Armory Scope. I Loved this rifle so much, that I wanted a top-of-the-line M14S. After much investigation, I settled on a Custom LRB with the M25 Scope Mount Slots, and put the Original Springfield Armory Scope on the LRB. It made for a deadly accurate Tack Driver that I love. This is my 'never' sell rifle. I had some original problems with the LRB, like they forgot to grind out the Op Rod cut-out to dismantle the rifle, but M14 Doctor did an excellent job fixing this manufacturing defect. So I still have an accurized Norc M14S that is extremely accurate with just the iron sights, and my LRB, who I show only to enthusiasts. When I take it to the Range, I take both, but everyone wants to handle the LRB.
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To funny, me too, and the LRB only shoots maybe 50% better than the Norc for an extra $$$$$$$. Is an LRB worth it, probably not but I'll never sell it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Norc once you get the bugs out, though I never ever had a problem with mine,..ever.
 
Dont agree with the entire I dont buy anything Chinese but when it comes to firearms im behind the OP.

Picked up a Springfield M1A national match and would never trade it for 5 Chinese rifles. Rather buy quality than quantity.

So my suggestion if you have the money go for a M1a or LRB either are great rifles. And if you dont well there is always china.....
 
Glenfilthie said:
LOL. Well, as an Albertan that has been putting up with the stink of Quebec for decades...I will not buy anything made in Quebec either if I can avoid it. They are both scum sucking commie ******** in my scholarly opinion...and the Chicoms are more price competitive.
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fenceline said:
They picked them up because they had boxes of them in storage readily available. No sense buying a new style of rifle when the old one will do for free.

As for a tuned norc costing as much as a fresh out of the box springfield, you may want to look here....

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...rom-The-Ground-Up-Project-Complete-01-23-2012

Plus, a certain kind of satisfaction in building a rifle up on your own. Something money can't buy.
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cost of LRB match with m25 reciever and medium barrel $3000

Norc to build to the same

Norc $500
Barrel medium criterion match $329
Flash supressor to match threading on new barrel $40
Castle nut $8
NM front sght $40
Bolt USGI/LRB $225
Op Rod $175
NM oprod guide $39
NM oprod spring $39
Gas system complete with NM piston $165
USGI triger group $250
NM rear sight asbly $250
Boyds stock complete $190
Good sight rail (included on m25 recievers) $225-275

coming in at $2475 pluss assebly costs depending on your skill as an armour/ access to tools.
I forwent the inport costs because either way your paying for it, wether you pay it up front, or pay a local retailer for it (armtac, and BTW you couldn't even come close to this pricing ording from them), and if you don't order it all in one go you pay for it time and time again with the custom norc.

And at the end of the day, your still left with a norc reciever that may or may not be in good spec and no matter what you do to it still feels a bit rough when you #### it, a feeling you never get with a LRB.
Oh and if that $500 gap still seems a bit much.... LRB give a good discount to active military and law enforcement personal, cuts that gap down to nothing.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
cost of LRB match with m25 reciever and medium barrel $3000

Norc to build to the same

Norc $500
Barrel medium criterion match $329
Flash supressor to match threading on new barrel $40
Castle nut $8
NM front sght $40
Bolt USGI/LRB $225
Op Rod $175
NM oprod guide $39
NM oprod spring $39
Gas system complete with NM piston $165
USGI triger group $250
NM rear sight asbly $250
Boyds stock complete $190
Good sight rail (included on m25 recievers) $225-275

coming in at $2475 pluss assebly costs depending on your skill as an armour/ access to tools.
I forwent the inport costs because either way your paying for it, wether you pay it up front, or pay a local retailer for it (armtac, and BTW you couldn't even come close to this pricing ording from them), and if you don't order it all in one go you pay for it time and time again with the custom norc.

And at the end of the day, your still left with a norc reciever that may or may not be in good spec and no matter what you do to it still feels a bit rough when you #### it, a feeling you never get with a LRB.
Oh and if that $500 gap still seems a bit much.... LRB give a good discount to active military and law enforcement personal, cuts that gap down to nothing.
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Actually, 50calshooter's build was $1250 with the basic "shoot as good as a Springfield mods, and $1675 with the added perks to upgrade the rifle with the "nice to have" stuff, some of which even the Springfields don't have.

So a cool custom shooter for 1675 that can shoot and feel as good as a springfield, or 3000 for a springfield.

And the Norc receivers have a reputation of being a better starting point for a build, and are desirable even in the US where they are stuck with what they have of them from several years ago before the "good" norcs arrived here.

I'll stick with tinkering with my Norc. YMMV.
 
LRB not springfield.... and even a $2500 norc does not feel like an LRB.

Im not talking shoot a 2 inch group like a base springfield... im talking shoots a sub MOA group consitently like a DMR that the LRB m25 recievers were ment to be rifle build. I know LRB's do it out of the box since I have shot them and personaly produced sub moa groups; I have yet to see a norc with anything but a full rebuild even come close.

that norinco build does not include a new barrel, bolt or op rod. and considering Im 2 for 2 on bad headspace for my norcs, and of my four friends that own them 2 ended up with the same head space isuues as mine, I consider it a must to replace those componets on any M14 that is for more then plinking at cans at 50 yards. I don't consider a 4 inch (or 12 off mine) groups acceptable at 100m and having rifles explode in my face kinda pisses me off as well.
 
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