And....I'm no longer a member of ISPC BC in good standing
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red magnum
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- Sundre, Alberta
Just wondering what rules have been broken?
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Everything deleted can be restored if anyone wants it to be, however it is all bickering about things not related to the discussion, all related to the C word shirts or similar. Nothing has been deleted that has anything to do with this discussion or the events surrounding it.
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- Prince George B.C.
While I agree with the sentiment, people who get in an RO's face and scream like toddlers are likely to try to shoot you if you kick them in the balls....and unfortunately case law might even support them as the courts have determined that a kick to the genitals is grievous bodily harm. Violence is definitely not the way to address poor behaviour. Unfortunately Sean's assertion that the RO should have DQ'd the poorly behaved people immediately is correct, the IPSC BC decision regarding Rob is more murky. I don't necessarily agree with them, but a probation and "don't do that again" letter might have been justified. Demanding written apologies to a half dozen different destinations was unnecessary, and was designed to humiliate Rob, not educate him regarding their concern.
Getting lawyers involved probably only escalated things, however given how often I've heard Rob's name around IPSC circles, if he is approaching the "professional shooter" category, then a lawyer was probably his only viable response, and the board had really painted him into a corner by demanding the apologies. If they had simply imposed probation and left him the option of quietly accepting it without admitting fault, then he perhaps could have accepted that, by trying to force him to admit he was wrong, they played cards that weren't in their hand at the time so to speak, and lost a good shooter because of it.
Having been an amateur shooter in the company of some very elite members, and shooting with IPSC Canada President Sean Hansen, I can safely say that in Nova Scotia at least, I am not marginalized or mistreated. I believe this over reaction by the BC board was an action by a few individuals, and I certainly have seen nothing to say it reflects the values of IPSC Canada. By involving lawyers, unfortunately Rob didn't leave the IPSC BC board a way to back down without losing face either, so they were then painted in a corner the same as he had been by their initial action.
Its much the same way when two guys step outside a bar having a heated discussion. If you ever observe from a distance, you'll notice that if one party is given a way of backing down without losing face, the fight never materializes. If there is no way to avoid the fight without admitting the other guy is right, then the fight almost always happens, even if one party is clearly physically superior. Unfortunately the further this situation goes, the less likely anyone will win, either IPSC or Rob.
Expendable Nate
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and this is why i only shoot for fun all these leagues and tight !@#@# it takes the fun out of shooting nothing beats going out with your buddies and shooting the afternoon away without rules and lawyers and people ruining things (though i would love a gift card to DQ LOL )
heck....why even DQ anyone...let them run wild and accidentally shoot things,..shoot each other..point there guns at them self..etc.
Who needs rules. SOunds like a reason for more lawyers and police to get involved. Everyone shoots for fun btw..at least everyone I shoot with does. IF it wasn't fun, we wouldn't keep doing it. I think I will quit shooting in IPSC. I am done with all this ****, rules,..safety stuff...competition. Who needs it. We should all start shooting paper cups and tin cans. (and if you believe I have any intention of "quitting" IPSC ,...you really don't know me.)
While all this #####ing and whining (which is what this thread seems to have turned in to) was going on...I went shooting twice...shooting my 1911 sti .45 and also my tanfoglio stock2 9mm. Also fixed a friends Savage Axis magazine with an AR 15 mag spring, and sold some 45 acp ammo, cleaned a few guns, installed a VZ grip on my 1911, shot a 3 gun match, picked up a load of ammo and projectiles...etc...
red magnum
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Oh I'm well aware what's acceptable there is far from kosher here.
I was just asking what rules had been broken on this fourum? Now I read that some posts have dissapeared, I must have missed them.
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- S.W. Ontario
OK, let's expand on that.
1. Is IPSC BC saying that Slavex is a terrifying bully and extremely bad influence on the sport, that no one could talk to in reasonable manner and tell him that his humour is not appreciated and to keep DQ cards for himself?
2. Two individuals in question were bullied and harassed by Slavex, that they needed action of IPSC BC to come in and protect them from- Slavex, otherwise they would get traumatised and scarred for life?
3. In order that such a dastardly behaviour would not dare happen again, Slavex was dealt with in such a fashion, that from distinguished contributor to the sport- he was relegated to outcast and efforts had been made to push him out of the IPSC sport completely?
4. Matter of fact, did IPSC board find him that scary, that they did not offer him chance to speak his mind, or offer his side of the story, for fear that they would get traumatised as well from listening to him?
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