And....I'm no longer a member of ISPC BC in good standing

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Ridonculous!

I'm not involved in IPSC at all, but I was thinking about it (for all that spare time I have).

If I had some kind of assurance that at the LEAST I'd be bringing home a DQ gift card, I could probably convince my wife that it's a good idea.

FWIW, I think it's hilarious, and someone's panties need to be un-bunched, someone's mangina needs to be de-sanded, and a million other cliches I can think of. The fact that it went to lawyers (that they waited until you paid etc) is pretty un-classy.

Keep up the good fight. Shooting sports need more you and less them.

Very sorry to hear about your mother.
 
embarrassing to be the culprit who started this whole thing... you can picture him/her sitting there...alone... smirking to themselves 'yes, yes, i finally got Rob kicked out'... but who the hell is going to be your friend in the future?

We will find out. Time always tells its secrets. And you can bet when it does, that ****er is going to enjoy a lonely, decrepit existence in the realm of pistol sport. It saddens me that this type of tomfoolery is considered worthy of DQ/Probation... You could slap a strangers infant for petes sake and get in less trouble.

what a tool.

Rob is stand up and widely promoted IPSC.
 
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Interesting thread for sure.

One thing comes to mind though????

What is with all the profanity??? Normally this type of language and behaviour would see threads being locked and/or deleted and infractions/bans being handed out!

While we may be a little choked at the apparent injustice being done here, a double standard is not acceptable on the forum anymore than it is in the world of IPSC.

IMHO anyhow.

John
 
Maybe somebody can answer me this question. If the shooting sports are suppose to be fun why do people put up with all the beuocracy and hipocracy of IPSC and IDPA. Why not shoot IPSC using their rules and scoring system but without any assosiation with them. Same fun, basically the same people and less expence.
 
What....the....Hell?

This is the problem with humor as a concept I guess; not all things are funny to all people. But to take "official" offense to a joke played on someone else who was not actually offended sure seems a little thin-skinned to me, as well as manipulative and maybe a little cowardly. It seems a to me that if someone says something that I find personally offensive I always have the option of offering some corrective advice to their face. Escalating to official complaint status would be a very last resort. In any case, it was a joke made in the spirit of good fun and camaraderie. There was nothing malicious in it at all. I know that for a fact because I was with him when he bought the gift certificates.

This is a load of crap Rob. Best wishes for a speedy resolution.
 
Thanks Rob and everyone else. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
As for the swearing, I don't know why the filter isn't working, normally it would have caught everyone's swear words and censored them. While I've never been in favor of it, it is a rule here. If people could kindly go back and edit their posts I'd appreciate it. I can't do any mod stuff from my phone.
 
Rob I am so sorry to hear what has happened to you. I want you to know that I was presented with a DQ certificate by one of IPSC's finest and I laughed my ass off. It was laminated and hangs on my wall. The presenter if reading this knows exactly who he is. I didn't cry, need to change a panty liner over it and by the way no one from IPSC stood up for me when this higher ranking individual gave me this gift.

I left IPSC 2 years ago after the Nats at Thompson. I left because I realized what a double standard exists and how unless you are one of the elite, the in crowd or affiliated with that you have no say, respect or rights. When my incident happened more than 20 people said I should come here to air my knickers but I didn't. I think now is the time. I didn't say anything because I feared some retribution for close friends who still shoot. That may sound like a serious accusation but based on my experience and now yours it seems a fair statement to make.

Two years ago I was minding my own business watching friends shoot that Nat when I was approached to sub in for an RO. An Ontario RO was having problems with the current person on the range and since I had taken my RO course earlier that year this higher ranking IPSC person felt I was qualified. Anyone there remembers this story. At any rate I had out a few squads through when some of BC's finest production team rolled through. They were tense as two members were having a difficult day playing nice with each other. This happens in every sport. Long story short I made a call that I felt was the right call and I still feel the call I made was the right one to this day. Debate that remark all you like but it's not the point. It was what happened next.

A certain gold team production member displayed horrifying behavior at my call. He screamed at me, yelled profanity, let me know I had f'd you Rob, F'D the entire production team and let that person cheat. The senior RO I was working with just stood there. We called for the CRO and told him what had happened and he asked me what I wanted to do. I was so shocked, a new RO and this was a very senior shooter here in BC. I thought to myself "who am I to DQ so and so" and I felt that if I did that all of BC IPSC would be all over me for that. This was done in a very public way by this shooter. This was a 10-6 for sure. No one did anything.

After the match I tried to talk to the then BC IPSC president and that got me nowhere. At the end of the day I went all the way to Halifax to the president who said sorry, can't help you. You should have dealt with it at the match. So I was treated like an idiot, bullied by that shooter, received numerous phone calls from zone directors who got my unlisted number off their directory. The shooter did call to apologize but still made negative remarks.

Interesting that you are on probation for an event which was meant in good humor. Like I said, I have a lovey DQ award myself on official IPSC paper, logo's and all. My decision to go was tough because I love to shoot. At the end of the day I felt there was a double standard in place. I was a ####ty shooter, a woman so whatever! Had a lower caste shooter done this to one of our "elite" they would have been punted. I personally feel there is a caste system and I also feel that leadership is stale. Maybe some people have been in their positions too long and it is a dictatorship. It is a volunteer organization and some folks take it way too seriously.

I chose not to give my hard earned cash to these guys and their membership dues. I chose to fund something else. Many might say good for you lady, good riddance but some of you may agree with what I have said here. I sure wish IPSC was more consistent with their rules, discipline and management. Some might say thank god a sucky RO like you isn't around anymore but here is the thing...

If more and more people feel crappy in this sport, feel cut off, quit because of gossip or bullying (I felt bullied from all sides after this incident) less people will join or renew membership. This may come down to economics. Organizations need money to survive and if word continues to spread about the issues IPSC seems to have, less people will pay to play.
 
Hold on guys, before you paint all IPSC guys with the same brush. There are lots of smaller matches in BC that are whole lot of fun with lots and lots of good people. I don't travel below Lone Butte to any matches and I just have fun lots and I mean lots of fun. Some of us still shoot to have fun.
 
What happened to you was a travesty, far far worse than what has just happened to me. I remember that incident clearly, and how you felt. If I remember correctly the RO from Ontario was treated almost as bad by that individual. I think you are 100 percent correct on your caste theory, it's really amazing to watch it in action sometimes.
 
I don't disagree that there is a double standard in IPSC, but if you can find any sport or organization that doesn't have a double standard, then you aren't looking hard enough. Carl Lewis had his drug tests covered up by the USOC. Evidence against Lance Armstrong is pretty damning right now.
However, at the end of the day, you have to look at what you're in the sport for. I go out to do the best that I can do. I'm not out there to peer over everyone's shoulders to see if someone else is getting an unfair advantage. Is it right? No. Is it going to happen? Probably. We all know people who will cry "double" every time they see a single hole on a target. (I've started trying to call "double" on targets that have no hits, but nobody seems to understand the joke yet...)
If IPSC stops being fun for you, then stop doing the part that is no fun anymore. What we do for recreation is not supposed to create more stress for us. When I'm working at a match, I do the best job that I can do and screw anybody else who disagrees. Anything that is an issue, I just fire up the chain of command to the CRO or RM and put it out of my mind and, generally, I don't give it a second thought. In the end, it's not really that important to me.
I neither agree nor disagree with the actions of the individuals involved here, because I'm not privy to all of the discussion or what has happened; I wasn't even at the awards ceremony. However, I would add that during attendance at any event, you are always "on the stage", rulebook notwithstanding.
I believe that there was an incident a number of years ago at a world shoot that caused a great deal of embarrassment for IPSC Canada. My understanding was that funds for teams at the World Shoot in Greece were withheld until after everyone returned home to ensure appropriate behaviour at the event. I like to think that whenever we travel to an International match, we're acting as "ambassadors" for our National organization and our country as a whole. Just because something is not covered by the rulebook does not mean we should not be held accountable for it.
 
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