And....I'm no longer a member of ISPC BC in good standing

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Don't jump on Jon about this, from what I understand the complaint is not from him. Nor is it from Greg, he and his wife both sent letters of support for me to submit, as did Stormbringer (all of whom I thank very much).
As to why I got a lawyer involved, well, because the original letter was pretty obviously intended to let me know that they were holding my recently submitted match fee to the AustralAsians hostage, funny how the letter was sent shortly after I paid. I have already withdrawn from the match though as my mom's cancer has kicked into high gear and I'll either be watching her die or dealing with the estate, probate etc come February and March. Did I mention that it was at the nationals that I found out it wasn't simple brain tumor stuff (which a fellow IPSC shooter removed just before the nationals). But I digress. The letter was pretty obvious the setup to removing me at my next match, or using it to try and **** with me at my next match or matches. So i gave it to my lawyer to deal with, I've got better things to worry about. And if you follow the letters above, which besides my support letters, is everything that's been sent, you will notice that they haven't even followed their own guidelines for dealing with me.
But I also want you to notice they say the rule book applies, even after a match is over, that's right, verification sheets have been posted and the hour has passed. At an awards supper, after the match is over, stages already being torn down, match is over. People drinking alcohol on the range, match is over. Hello people drinking at the dinner, match is over. By these people's thinking every single competitor who drank a beer any night of the Nationals, or any multi day match, well they should be DQd, after all, match ain't over until the results are posted. I mean that makes total sense right?
Sad part is, if I did offended some one, call me, or email me, I would have happily apologized to them. He IPSC BC could have sent me a letter saying we didn't like it, don't do it again. But don't not even follow our rule set while saying you are, when it's pretty blatant you aren't. Grow a set of balls, and deal with **** like a normal, rationally adult.
Further outfall from this is, effective immediately my club AFGC will be hosting 2 gun matches, USPSA matches, maybe some 3 gun. But not a shred of IPSC. My weekly S&D classes will no longer push people to IPSC, even though we'll still work on what it takes to not get into trouble at a match. In fact next week's drills are going to involve not handing Dairy Queen gift cards out. And our winter indoor match? Sponsored by my buddies Dairy Queen.
So yeah don't jump on Jon, I don't think it's him, and it's because Steve is IPSC BC's lawyer that he had to to weigh in.
 
I have to admit, I'm a little disappointed in you, Slavex.

I mean you gave them a DQ gift card worth $5.

What the hell does $5 buy anymore?

You could have at least loosened up those purse strings a bit, Diamond Jim, and shook out a ten spot for each of them.

(BTW, I want the old smilies back. The new ones suck balls and they don't let me properly accentuate my jesting.)


Seriously though, I think you should drop one of your skunks in the car of that wounded cheesie who complained.

Dirty rotten stoolies!
 
I really don't care who complained, my issue is with how it was done. Secret Star Chamber meetings where they talked to the people who would give them the answers they want, then issuing a verdict and punishment. Then after following all their steps regarding disagreeing with he decision, they then decide I'm out? Really? So they can't even follow their own made up bull#### now? Gotta make you wonder what else they are doing in their secret meetings.
 
what a load! hard to believe that adults could get to this level of play school nonsense.

Slavex, my condolence on your personal situation.

As an open appeal to any ISPC or ISPC BC official that reads this, please grow up and withdraw the sanctions. Your actions do not do you credit in this case, and the apparent abuse of authority that they display constitute poor sportsmanship in their own right.

To those involved that do not have a sense of humor, please pretend that you do have one for a little while. Others around you will appreciate it.

I have been considering entering ISPC, doing a black badge course, etc. I am now reconsidering that decision.
 
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This is why I don't shoot much IPSC, too many people bickering and complaining about stuff and other competitors at matches, people taking things waaaay too seriously. And I thought it was all about shooting and having a good time, silly me eh?
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So sorry to hear about the serious illness in your family Slavex. It seems someone with a grand pooba syndrome has demonstrated to the internet world, that IPSC in Canada is rife with stupidity and politics. You have enough on your plate without being vilified by a few executives that make very very poor decisions. Can a local board of what I assume are volunteer executives of a not for profit organization, be sued for thier questionable decisions? Your story as told by yourself just screams for publicity friend.
 
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Yep, I to have no interest in IPSC not just because of this situation but others like it. Way too much drama and politics from what I can tell.

As far as this situation goes, the problem is people who make decisions like this are flexing muscle instead of doing their job, and reversing such a decision is not even an option in their eyes, as it would be admitting they are wrong.

Interestingly enough this situation strangley resembles an infraction given to me by a certain mod........ A lack of sense of humour, and a bad decision made with no real rules to back it........

Gotta laugh.
 
I think your lawyer should be fired. Bringing up other provinces dealings or awards for safety violations /DQ's is dumb, as is presenting a picture of a shirt with the word "tranny" on it. It does nothing for your case. I speak for no one but myself btw. I don't believe you should be banned from participating in IPSC (level2 or higher matches). I don't see the reasoning for it, except for that you don't agree with them. A probationary period is just that,..and can be seen as a disciplinary sanction. In reality, it means..."perhaps you should not do that, and please don't do it again". If I had DQ'd at the Nationals (having invested time, money, vacation, time away from my family, etc). and someone came up to me with the DQ certificate, I doubt I would have even taken it. Ya never know, I might have laughed it off, or depending upon my mood, I could have crumpled it up and told them to **** off.
 
That's rediculous, it would appear that someone's funny bone must be broken.

Good luck with your battle hope you take em to school, then Dairy Queen after to show no hard feelings.
 
Maurice, if after a lengthy conversation with your spouse is was given the impression that you would appreciate the humor of receiving such an item, I would have done so. Had I received the slightest hint that you wouldn't find it funny, I wouldn't. Me? I'd expect my friends to do so to me without hesitation.
Regarding what happens in other provinces? Well obviously you and I disagree on the relevancy of that, I think it is certainly relevant as we all operate under the same rule book, the events in question are level 2 and 3 so it's jot like it's some club match event that doesn't need to follow the rules book. In my view and my lawyers, and just about everyone else's opinion, it's certainly relevant. Further, according to what I've received its not either of the guys who received the cards who has made the complaint. It's some 3rd party who's been offended. Which is fine, submit a 3rd party appeal and handle it by the rule book they say is in play at a dinner, after the match.
Regarding the Tranny pic and situation, that just illustrates the situation that exists here in BC, it's apparently ok for something like that to be displayed during an entire Provincial Championships, for all to see. Making fun of and humiliating (possibly) a fellow shooter, as well as being crude and ###ually explicit, and the same people that allowed that to stand, are now telling me what's unsportsmanlike? Really? Perhaps the person who wrote the Bullocks Tranny on the mannequin should be dealt with too? Oh wait, probably not, given who wrote it.
 
hmmm...those third party arbitrations are a fickle ##### eh :cool: Sorry...but you knew I had to say that!

It goes without saying, but I'm sure you know my position on these situations...complete and utter waste of energy and time.

We don't need to worry about the Fiberals getting back into power and shutting us down...we'll do it to ourselves long before that happens.

Sorry to hear about your mom. Lost my father to cancer over 20 years ago...it still bites.
 
I agree with slavex. The issue isn't that a complaint was made, it is how it was handled. If slavex's conduct caused another member to feel insulted and file a complaint then the BOD should have informed him that a complaint has been made and request that he make a formal apology to that member and/or (if they feel it is necessary) he should show up to a formal inquiry and hear his side. From what I've seen of slavex's conduct on the forums, if this was the case and he unintentionally insulted another member, I'm sure he wouldn't hesitate to make an apology.

If the BOD heard of slavex's conduct and felt it was inappropriate they should have again invited him to a formal inquiry to explain his side and deal with it appropriately (ask him not to do it again or ask him to make an apology to the ipsc bc community or what ever they deem is necessary to resolve the issue).

It sounds more like someone on the BOD got their feathers ruffled because their son got ribbed a little at a match (and may have a previous beef with him) and used their powers.

I'm really looking forward to getting into ipsc but I've heard of people quiting because of the politics that go on. I like the idea of ipsc and the formal training they do. Everyone I know that has taken the BB has had a lot of fun. I just want to go out and shoot and be able to improve my skills and have fun. I'd probably join ipda also if there was any near by me :p.

@slavex sorry to hear about your mom
 
I do not know what to say about this thread. It's really sad how these type of sports operate. It's just a game, right? That what I keep hearing all the time in reference to these shooting sports. The mentality of the top brass in these sports appears to be all the same.

Good luck but even if you get the verdict over turned, participating in the sport will never be the same.

Greg
 
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LOL....

Seriously...?

Free ice cream... Even if it's not "real" ice cream is awesome...
IPSC BC is anti-ice cream!!!!!!

What are other regions position on ice cream..?
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This is discriminatory against ice cream! To the Human Rights Commission I go!

Hooly hell... If someone gave me a DQ gift cert, I'd be bent over in half, laughing my ass off...

Jeebus Slavex... We really ARE our worst enemies, huh? f:P:
 
You're absolutely right about competing against, if I get back in, I certainly won't trust certain individuals to remain impartial when ROing me. Given the bull#### I've seen over the years here in BC with certain people, I'd rather just shoot internationally or at my own club.
I'm not even sure it's got anything to do with IPSC BC's lawyer having an issue, he's an IPSC member and is our zone report here in the lower mainland, he's just doing his job for IPSC. I suspect that it's someone else driving this. But we'll find out once it gets to court I guess. Cuz that's where it looks like it's heading.
So just remember, dinners and awards ceremonies are covered by the handgun rule book. The match isn't over until the final scores are posted. Which means you can't consume any alcohol until that's done. Even over a multi day match, you gotta wait until the results are posted to have a glass of wine with your dinner........
 
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