And....I'm no longer a member of ISPC BC in good standing

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you guys are all missing the the fundamental problem.. if the IPSC BC constitution does not have bylaws that deal with the discipline of a members, (and thiers rights to appeal) then you needs to get people on board to change your bylaws.. don't let a biased set of directors (with an obvious conflict of interest) decide your fate as a member.

either:

1) improve your constitution and the rights for members (Usually constitutions have clauses for members to submit new changes and have them voted on by the members.. USE THEM)
2) vote on new board members at the next agm and get this issue dealt with then.

either way the way to solve this is under the power of the members, not just a biased board.
 
Actually, I'm pretty sure that we do have something about the discipline of members in the constitution, because it was an issue a number of years ago. Unfortunately, I don't know where a copy of that constitution might be.
 
rtracer13 said:
I would mime the posts of others to say that IPSC BC has taken this too far. Even if it was just a few bad apples screwing around with people to exert their "muscle", it should never have resulted in lawyers getting involved - That is purely ridiculous. I've yet to join either IPSC or IDPA, but from what I've viewed as an outsider IDPA appears far more relaxed and actually concerned with improving skill over IPSCs "gaming" and general over-obsession with the rules rather than the safe enjoyment of the match.

Just my two cents.
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And as someone who shoots both sports on a regular basis I would say that your opinion is worth quite a bit less that the 2 cents.

Crap can and does happen in all sports....doesn't matter what the discipline.

John
 
Rob, Sorry to hear about your Mom... My wife and I met you in Brandon at the match hotel. I was in the same situation with my father 2 years ago. We both wish you and your Mom the best..

Dan and Cheri
 
I wish you all the best with this affair, Rob, and my thoughts are with you and your mom during what I know is a difficult time.
Although I was obliged to stop participating in IPSC due to medical issues a few years ago, I was considering re-doing a Black Badge course in order to get back into the sport. Who did I contact? Well, Rob of course. Last week. His response? He'd be happy to put me through Black Badge, but he was having some sort of difficulty with IPSC BC that might prevent him from doing it. If that was the case, he'd put me in touch with another instructor who could do it in his stead.
THAT, my friends, is class.
 
I too would like a copy of the current constitution, perhaps mine is an older one. It references Roberts Rules of Order for its procedures. A current copy of the bylaws too.
Again I'd like to thank everyone for all the support, you all are awesome. If you are so inclined, please write to the BOD, IPSC BC members especially, as it's your voice that really matters to the BOD (legally speaking). I don't want to see the board removed over this, they do a thankless job as volunteers and it's not easy work. Let this be a learning point for everyone on proper procedure.
And come our next AGM let's try to come together and make BC the best it can be. Get involved with the thankless jobs, volunteer at your clubs, something. We have a great section, with tons of great people, let's prove that.
 
RUPZUK said:
IMO safety has always been the prime concern at any and all matches I have ever attended.
The level of dedication on this task by all IPSC members has always impressed me and is one of the prime reasons I love IPSC.
IPSC has the black badge, IDPA to my knowledge does not.
For the record, I haven't shot IDPA.
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IDPA in Canada as the New Shooter Orientation Course. The primary difference between the twocourses is our NSO course deals with the rules of IDPA, the Black Badge Course deals with IPSC rules. There isn't an ounce of daylight between the twosports when it comes to range safety.

Take Care

Bob
 
A copy of the constitution should be on file with the BC gov. Any changes that have been made to it need to be submitted for Gov approval as it is a legal document. It prevents societies from doing whatever they feel like.
 
How about a hand shake, and dump this situation in the basket? Back to were it was, B/4 the fall out letters?

A buddy and I went through this thrown out, let back in by a new board of IPSC Ontario in 1986? Think that was the year, at 77 YOA the years run together.

Shoot IDPA now, I am a Life Member of USPSA though.

Shoot the same pistol I carry, a Gen4 Glock 19TruGlo night sights, extended slide release, 3.5 connector, about a 4.5lb trigger results from that.

As one of the 4 Instructors who started the Black Badge course, I am so proud of where the sport has gone. Still have Black Badge #1 IPSC Ont. Yes there is a story behind the #1. Ask Dennis Williams. He was one of our first students.

Safe shooting, watch the front sight.
 
MIKE HARGREAVES said:
How about a hand shake, and dump this situation in the basket? Back to were it was, B/4 the fall out letters?

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IMHO this is a VERY VERY bad idea.........

Sure it is the most easy but it sets you up for eventual failure perhaps on a large scale.

This incident has proven that there are huge problems withing IPSC BC at the highest levels. One simply cannot scrape that under the rock again and act as if nothing had happened. It will continue to ROT and fester......because the rot is at the top of the food chain.
 
You know what the really sad thing about this situation is?

Young people like myself read this, and lose all interest in getting involved with IPSC.

My father was one of the founding members of IPSC in Canada, very actively involved in competition and instruction of the discipline for many years until he gave it up due to some "politics" that I was too young to understand. Are politics of this sort prone to occur in your discipline?

I'm personally disgusted with what I've read, The BOD/Person in question should be ASHAMED. This is absolutely disgraceful.

Is this supposed to be a win for BC (even Canada) IPSC? Is this really supposed to sway me into wanting to get involved with IPSC?


I usually try to see something positive in every situation, all that I can gather from this is that if I ever do have a desire to get involved with IPSC, it seems like here in Ontario is the place to do it. And that's IF I can look past the horse#### that some "members" seem to shovel onto this discipline and organization and make a trip out to EESA and watch/get involved.


What a joke.

Apologies are owed, and Boards are clearly in need of re structuring.
 
the young gun said:
You know what the really sad thing about this situation is?

Young people like myself read this, and lose all interest in getting involved with IPSC.

My father was one of the founding members of IPSC in Canada, very actively involved in competition and instruction of the discipline for many years until he gave it up due to some "politics" that I was too young to understand. Are politics of this sort prone to occur in your discipline?

I'm personally disgusted with what I've read, The BOD/Person in question should be ASHAMED. This is absolutely disgraceful.

Is this supposed to be a win for BC (even Canada) IPSC? Is this really supposed to sway me into wanting to get involved with IPSC?


I usually try to see something positive in every situation, all that I can gather from this is that if I ever do have a desire to get involved with IPSC, it seems like here in Ontario is the place to do it. And that's IF I can look past the horse#### that some "members" seem to shovel onto this discipline and organization and make a trip out to EESA and watch/get involved.


What a joke.

Apologies are owed, and Boards are clearly in need of re structuring.
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Well any organization that has more than two people in it will have a political system. It's unavoidable whether it's IPSC or IDPA or sailing or hockey or whatever. People rub each other the wrong way from time to time. Having said that, this sort of thing...conflict and resolution...is just part of life. True, these specific circumstances seem arbitrary, unnecessary and disproportionate in scale scale to the nauter of the transgression, real or perceived. As unfortunate as the situation is though, it really has nothing to do with the overall world wide organization that is IPSC. In all the years I've participated in this sport, I have always felt that IPSC people are generally the best people in the world. I still feel that way.

Small events like this are made ever larger in the modern era of the internet, but don't let it fool you. Most people in the sport get along really well and most disputes are easily resolved or fade relatively quickly from importance.

I haven't looked at the IPSC constitution recently either, but it seems to me that it might be time for a 3rd party (RD?) mediation using the constitution AND existing precedence as a guide. After all, we're not talking about an ongoing safety issue here or unsportsmanlike conduct. We're talking about a joke that someone took the wrong way. A little sense of appropriate scale could go a long way here.
 
What a FREAKING joke.

This is an embarrassment to the sport.

On a side note, with these actions against Slavex I guess I MUST put sanctions on 4 Canadian shooters who attended this years NBRSA Nationals in Phoenix.

Myself and 3 other Alberta Team shooters formed a 4 man team for the HV 100 and HV 200 team shoot. The name of our team, TEAM BLAME CANADA. I had t-Shirts made up and we wore them PROUDLY as pround Canadians. We did not shoot the best. I guess you could say that we embarassed our country.

We had the best time in the world as did our American friends did with our shirts.

What does this have to do with the shoot? Nothing. Period.

So I guess as the current BRSC President I must put sanctions against myself and the 3 others for embarassing our country.

GROW A PEN+S IPSC BC.

SO sorry to hear Slavex.

CYCBB
 
As a new and perspective shooter to IPSC, this certainly gives me some pause to reconsider.

Having said that, have you actually received a copy of the complaint yet. I could be wrong, but at the very least do you not have the right to face your accuser?
 
No apparently I do not have that right, as I have not received anything other than what you have seen posted. which is part of the problem. The rule book is very specific, as is the constitition, as are Roberts Rules of Order, which we operate under. So far none of those procedures have been followed. Which in my opinion, and I am not a lawyer but I can read, nullifies the while thing. Secret meetings are not a part of our sport, or at least they shouldn't be.
 
What a difference it seems between actually competing in the sport -- people are smiling, easy to impart advice, laughing at one's own mistakes, shooting for the joy of it -- and then open up CGN to see that the sport I had just shot in this past weekend is apparently rife with backbiting. lawyering and childish behaviour. It doesn't dissuade me from competing in the future but it does make me extremely wary of contributing at a higher level. And despite all the stories I tell my friends of how fun IPSC is they can't get past threads like this.
 
So...if IPSC BC is not operating within the current rule book, or that of the IPSC BC Constitution, should their sanctioning be pulled by IPSC Canada. Or do the individual Canada Sections operate fully on their own, seperate from any discipline from either IPSC Canada or IPSC World?
 
Dairy Queen cards is pretty funny. However presenting them with Drag Queens would have been hilarious!
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So....should IPSC BC not have their sanctioning revoked by IPSC Canada for not following the Rule Book, or IPSC BC's Constitution. Or do the individual Canada Sections, operate entirely on their own, without oversight from either IPSC Canada or IPSC World?
 
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