Antique guns in the news

Southlander said:
Only in the rediculous world of firearms would something invented 105 years ago be considered "modern". Face it guys, rechambering antiques to 45ACP was widespread during WW1 & WW2, Colt and Christy's rechambered lots of antique guns in the 50's & 60's to 44 special when single actions became popular again. Cartridge conversions were done by both Colt and Remington in the 1860's & 70's?? Trying to imply all antiques should be 100% original is unworkable.

The caliber list was designed to make all shootable antiques restricted, period. Anyone who believes that certain calibers were left for people to enjoy, is a fool. Who says a cartridge from 1907 is "not antique"? Making this determination is based on obsolecence not age and the premise is antiques should be restricted if they can be operational. It is the same position as those who made the list, think about it.
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Well Said and all true ^ + the SAA colts you see in 45 acp use the same chamber as a 455 MKII webley.
people just shoot 45 acp in them because the ammos easyer to get.
If you take a SAA colt cylinder thats set up for 45 acp you can chamber and shoot a 455 fiochhi in it so really a 45 acp chamber is the same as a 455 chamber. Its a new cylinder fair enough but lotsa guns get there parts replaced as they wear out.
+ remember the frames are still antique you can not shoot really hot modern factory smokeless in theses antiques most shoot only light loaded stuff like cowboy ammo.

But if i want to say a 45 acp chamber its now 455 and thats and antique cartridge i can as 45 acp in SAA colts head space on the case mouth no moon clips needed i have orignal 455 MKII ammo fits perfect . SAA colts were in fact chambered in 450 Boxer and in 476 and 455 calibers all orignal to just change a cylinder is not a big a deal as some here are makeing out i dont think they even undersrtand what a 45 acp chambered SAA colt cylinder looks like.
You can chamber and shoot 455 Fiochhi in any SAA colt thats listed as 45 acp the chamber throats are .452 but guess what the chamber throats in a MKI or MKII webley are also .452 same with the bores some even less.
So tell me how anyone can say that the SAA colt in Question is not in fact 455 MKII Webley.

They mention antiques twice in that artical big deal Wendy had a table full of antique handguns on TV back when the liberals were in power and know one cared back then just like even more dont care now.
She is back ground Noise and getting fainter as time goes on i say let her fade away.
As one poster said she will only be happy when you are not happy.

You know there desprate when they turn on Allen Rock now there blameing him LOL
 
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Gunslingr said:
I own a 44 russian reichrevolver that is completely original..
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Reichsrevolvers are German.
There has never been a Reichsrevolver chambered in 44 Russian.
They are chambered in 10.6mm for the 10.6x25R German Ordnance Cartridge.
Just because 44R fits and fires, it doesn't magically change the chambering.
That load of shyte was concocted for the EE.

Now as far as the coming storm related to firearms of all types...read my sig line folks.
 
The Reichsrevolver fires the 10.55mm x 25mm (sometimes referred to as the 10.6mm x 25mm) German Ordnance round. The German round was based (actually a virtual copy of) the S&W 44 Russian round. The history of the German round goes hand in hand with the Prussian and Russian royal families and the close relationship between the two's military.

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The two rounds (especially with the technology of the day) could not be closer in dimensions.
 
Look at the US and what's going on there right now. They want to ban AR's, they'll do it, even if they are no logical arguments. They see "antique" handguns converted and sold to accept modern ammunition very actively, they WILL ban them sooner or later.
 
F-U-C-K you windy and global! Stay the H-E-L-L away from my antiques!!!! They arent firearms, they're shootable pieces of history.
 
The 45 LC cartridge for example is not antique, so if the frame was manufactured as 45 LC, then the gun as a whole is not antique. Changing a major part of the revolver like the cylinder (new cylinder) and then modifying it to accept modern ammunition doesn't make it antique in my opinion. The fact that it also can chamber a caliber which is antique plays no role in this context since it is still modified to accept 45ACP and not all .455 .476 .450 or whatever accept 45ACP. I am sure a gunsmith can find out if the revolver has been modified or not and the manufacturer can also provide information on history, like Colt and S&W provide factory letters on request and include all details like caliber etc.
 
scianna54 said:
The 45 LC cartridge for example is not antique, so if the frame was manufactured as 45 LC, then the gun as a whole is not antique. Changing a major part of the revolver like the cylinder (new cylinder) and then modifying it to accept modern ammunition doesn't make it antique in my opinion. .
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cc 84 1(b) and SOR 98-464 basically say that frames manufactured before 1898 are antique and then say that about 8 named cartridges (45 long colt being one) remove its antique status. The caliber qualification has nothing to do with whether or not the cartridge is modern or old and seems mostly to do with what is commonly or easily available in the eyes of the RCMP at the time the law was written. Although referring to a different class of guns, antique non magazine rifles can be chambered in a number of antique calibers which are currently still common (44-40 and 45-70 for example) and not lose their status while be chambered for other antique calibers which are currently available (32-20 and 32 - 40 for example) and lose their status.

The point I am trying to make is that the criteria is not where the gun is completely factory original but whether or not the receiver is old as long as various caliber qualifications do not apply

cheers mooncoon
 
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