Antique status letter for pistol

Handguns

6 A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.


7 A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.

( What am I missing )? And why won't the CFO register my 44 special? How bizarre!

What was the original caliber of fabrication, if it was 44 Russian you should not have any problems, 44-40 so much so.
 
They changed the terminology, if your pistol was originally designed to fire one of the no go calibers it's not antique, even if it was modified to fire a different caliber

Hasn't it always said this?
 
It is the "designed" part, so, if your gun was originally designed to fire say, .45 long colt, no matter what you change it too, it will still be restricted as it was " designed originally to fire .45LC.
 
They changed the terminology, if your pistol was originally designed to fire one of the no go calibers it's not antique, even if it was modified to fire a different caliber

Hasn't it always said this?

I don't know , all I do know is that when they reclassified the cz/ swiss arms they reclassified the antique pistols so any of the caliber converted pistols that used to be considered antique are no longer antiques even if you have the letter
I'm not a professional at this, this will be my first one, but the research I've done is clearly showing me this , I just wanted to let everyone know to possibly save someone a bad day in court.
I'm also not saying I'm 100% correct, it just looks that way to me
 
What was the original caliber of fabrication, if it was 44 Russian you should not have any problems, 44-40 so much so.

No it was not 44 Russian, and I don't have any problems.

Like I said, I called the CFO about this. My colt ( they didn't come in 44 Russian, that I am aware of ) could not be registered. I didn't know the previous caliber and neither did they. A Colt letter would prove the orig. cal. but like I said, nothing was needed.
As far as they are concerned, I have an antique.

That is what is clear to me.
 
Still ok to change from .455 to .45 acp, as the original design ( .455 Webley) was antique status and .45 acp is not on the list so, good to go.
 
I was also told that all previous antique letters would stand as they are, but no more converted firearms would get a letter and would have to be registered as restricted.

They know there are thousands of these out there. If you believe what your are saying about the antique letters being revoked, why hasn't anyone heard of this?

Why can't I register my 44 special?
 
Me too.. I didn't even look, mine is being sold without being a restricted, so I don't have to deregister, but want as much paperwork with it as I can get when i carry , and i will :)

A lot of people get confused by this, but antique handguns are still classed as restricted. Antique is not a separate classification from restricted. It is in addition to. It isnrestricted AND an Antique, and as a result is exempt from many of the requirements of ordinary restricted firearms, such as license, registration etc.

Also, the letter you get from the rcmp is just an opinion. It in no way guarantees that a judge will agree. If the letter was issued by a judge then it would carry some weight. What you give up in exchange for that useless letter is your privacy and anonymity, and if the handgun ban ever comes, your letter puts you on the list. Not even a little bit worth it if you ask me.
 
Still ok to change from .455 to .45 acp, as the original design ( .455 Webley) was antique status and .45 acp is not on the list so, good to go.

Correct Bob.

And what is also correct ( according to the CFO ) Is if your firearm was converted before they put a stop to it, from no go to go calibers, stand as antiques.
 
To the OP...

Buy the 44 Russian. You are good to go..

Don't take the advice of internet folks with half knowledge on the subject and interpret the rest.

Call the CFO... Best advice ever.. :)
 
Still ok to change from .455 to .45 acp, as the original design ( .455 Webley) was antique status and .45 acp is not on the list so, good to go.

I agree with this, as long as the original manufacture of the pistol is in an allowable caliber like the scenario you provided. But not say from a 45lc to 45acp or 44 special.
 
I agree with this, as long as the original manufacture of the pistol is in an allowable caliber like the scenario you provided. But not say from a 45lc to 45acp or 44 special.

This is correct polski.

I just expressed what happened to me.

Hope you'll be as happy with yours as I am with mine.
 
A lot of people get confused by this, but antique handguns are still classed as restricted. Antique is not a separate classification from restricted. It is in addition to. It isnrestricted AND an Antique, and as a result is exempt from many of the requirements of ordinary restricted firearms, such as license, registration etc.

Also, the letter you get from the rcmp is just an opinion. It in no way guarantees that a judge will agree. If the letter was issued by a judge then it would carry some weight. What you give up in exchange for that useless letter is your privacy and anonymity, and if the handgun ban ever comes, your letter puts you on the list. Not even a little bit worth it if you ask me.

That is why the template is so much better.
 
Correct Bob.

And what is also correct ( according to the CFO ) Is if your firearm was converted before they put a stop to it, from no go to go calibers, stand as antiques.


Have to be careful on that one, sometimes one CFO will say one thing and another cfo will say another and the rcmp will say something else.
I really hope that the ones that were classified as antiques are still allowed, but doesn't sound like. If I owned one I would talk to more people even someone at the rcmp who changed this law.
I know some of the converted ones were / are selling for substantial sums of money so would be a kick to the a$$ for those that have or bought one if I am right
 
A lot of people get confused by this, but antique handguns are still classed as restricted. Antique is not a separate classification from restricted. It is in addition to. It isnrestricted AND an Antique, and as a result is exempt from many of the requirements of ordinary restricted firearms, such as license, registration etc.

Also, the letter you get from the rcmp is just an opinion. It in no way guarantees that a judge will agree. If the letter was issued by a judge then it would carry some weight. What you give up in exchange for that useless letter is your privacy and anonymity, and if the handgun ban ever comes, your letter puts you on the list. Not even a little bit worth it if you ask me.

The letter you get is just an opinion? LOL I'll leave this as my laugh for the day. Happy Sunday folks...
 
Thanks ! I hope so :)
Cheaper than building a range on my farm which I am tempted to do but still can't carry around like with the antique.

If you dig a little deeper, you'll actually find out that you're are allowed to Legally hunt in Ontario with an antique pistol. ( No Kidding )!

Can't be that restricted, now can it?

We can carry and hunt with antique pistols here in Ontario. Imagine that. :)

( I fear someone's head is going to burst ) lol
 
If you dig a little deeper, you'll actually find out that you're are allowed to Legally hunt in Ontario with an antique pistol. ( No Kidding )!

Can't be that restricted, now can it?

We can carry and hunt with antique pistols here in Ontario. Imagine that. :)

( I fear someone's head is going to burst ) lol

I'm buying it for the ability to carry, the fact that you can hunt is pretty cool , if its accurate I might try it before we loose this too.
Would have to be accurate and be provided a good shot on the animal too, I hate seeing crippled or wounded animals.
750 fps 240 gr .44 slug would take down smaller game for sure though :)
 
As it was explained to me by the RCMP in Ottawa my 41LC is no longer a firearm and does not fall under the Firearms Act. The only time it would become a firearm is if I used it while committing a crime. At that point the Colt would become a firearm and the crime would be considered an "armed" event. I can shoot the gun anywhere it is legal to fire a non restricted/restricted firearm.

From my discussions it became clear to me a little common sense and good judgement is called for. I would not carry it in an urban area nor would I transport it out in the open. The former to protect myself - I have some trust in the RCMP/Local Police but not enough to bet my life on. No need inviting a take down because someone saw you carrying a handgun.

From my reading there are two conditions the firearm must meet. It must have been manufactured 1898 or earlier and must meet the caliber requirements. My gun was manufactured in 1892 and is in .41 Long Colt. I know in the last 119 years the gun has not been fired more than 200 times, has the worlds worse DA trigger pull and my reloads made from resized 38spl brass stay within five inches at 15 yards. Not an Olympic Free Pistol but good enough for social meetings of the worse kind.

Take Care

Bob
ps I carry the Letter from the RCMP with me when I am out and about. I too found the opinion expressed in a post above amusing. The letter is your get out of jail card. It is worth keeping.
 
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