Antiques and OPP/LEO on private land

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I was reading the thread about the two guys in Maine with
open carry on the beach.Using the same scenario including
shooting on private land.My post is not intended to be a
it is the law that I am aloud and you should leave to OPP/LEO.
My question is,would I be aloud to apply the same legal
approach as these two?:cool:

Edit:Not being carried in public,but on your farm/bush.
 
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You right,pardon.I made an error in my post.I didn't meant walk
around in public with it.I meant I have it on me and the police
respond to some doing a lot of shooting.
It is perfectly legal to shoot here ,and by-law is not an issue
in regards to shooting.
Sorry for the misunderstanding:(
 
It's perfectly legal to shoot a antique hand gun where it is legal to shoot a non-restricted rifle .
 
You are allowed to discharge your antique firearms anywhere that you are allowed to discharge non-restricted firearms.

Basically, consider all you antiques as non-restricted firearms that aren't affected by Liberal red tape (registries, etc). As for carrying one on you outside of places where you can discharge it, that would be VERY inadvisable.
 
But what about in terms of ID,when I'm haying or helping with wood.
I don't carry my wallet with me.This is what I meant when I refereed
to the two guys from Maine.I not saying they are going to show up,
it is just that someone new to the area might call it in.
Some of us have 5 gallon pails full of shotgun shell and do a fair bit
of clay shooting.
 
In general, before a fellow moves his antique anywhere, he should very carefully study the law (posted in the 'sticky' section) to make sure he is not stepping outside of it. If it is being transported in a motor vehicle, then it needs to be in a locked case.

I would say that a fellow needs to exercise discretion, meaning that the last thing anyone wants to do is to create a public relations problem. We all need to quietly and discreetly enjoy antique firearms, educate others whenever we can, and avoid creating a news item.

With regard to shooting on ones own property, I have mentioned this to my neighbours so they don't get excited about it. Talk to your neighbours first. If there are so many strangers around your area that someone might call it it, then do not shoot on your land without first informing the local police that you shoot on your land on occasion, so ask that they give you a phone call if some crazy phones the police to confirm that it is just you having a good time. If the police are going to execute a high risk takedown regardless, then you really should not be shooting on your land unless you enjoy a boot to the face (like the fellow in Kelowna) and having loaded guns pointed at your face, that are using Black Talon nasty hollow point bullets, and being on the national news later that day.

Fortunately, where I live, there are so many fellows shooting all along the river, that no one around here even bothers to raise an eyebrow when they hear shooting.
 
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Win 38-55 said:
In general, before a fellow moves his antique anywhere, he should very carefully study the law (posted in the 'sticky' section) to make sure he is not stepping outside of it. If it is being transported in a motor vehicle, then it needs to be in a locked case. This ain't the law, but I would say that a fellow needs to exercise discretion, meaning that the last thing anyone wants to do is to create a public relations problem. We all need to quietly and discreetly enjoy antique firearms, educate others whenever we can, and avoid creating a news item.
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I may be reading your post wrong,but it is indeed the law:

(3) An individual may transport an antique firearm that is a handgun only if it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.
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BrotherRockeye said:
I may be reading your post wrong,but it is indeed the law:
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Exactly! I use the same kind of case as I use for restricted. And threads like this don't really help us, I would suggest that people simply read the Firearms Act as it applies to antiques, then read your provincial hunting regulations. THOROUGHLY! Asking the CGN "experts", or any other "experts", is never a good idea! :rolleyes: Twelve different experts will give you 13 different answers.
 
BUSHMAN79 said:
Exactly! I use the same kind of case as I use for restricted. And threads like this don't really help us, I would suggest that people simply read the Firearms Act as it applies to antiques, then read your provincial hunting regulations. THOROUGHLY! Asking the CGN "experts", or any other "experts", is never a good idea! :rolleyes: Twelve different experts will give you 13 different answers.
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But I will have twelve points of view that maybe I didn't correctly
or didn't understand from the FA.
While I agree we should keep a low profile,I find it kind of hard to
ask a question on a public forum,to other members about something
you don't want us talking about.
 
When I said,'this ain't the law but .....', it was a new sentence referring to discretion and opting not to shoot even if it is legal. It certainly is the law to transport your antique handgun in a locked case, as I stated. Thanks for clearing that up. I should have started a new paragraph there, just so there was no confusion. I've revised the post to avoid causing any confusion.
 
budman said:
But I will have twelve points of view that maybe I didn't correctly
or didn't understand from the FA.
While I agree we should keep a low profile,I find it kind of hard to
ask a question on a public forum,to other members about something
you don't want us talking about.
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Well here's my opinion, and don't consider it "expert", just some points to ponder.

Situation: You're legally shooting/carrying an antique while working on your own property when the local posse shows up answering a noise / shooting complaint.

Why is there a shooting/noise complaint in the first place? Maybe you need to find a different place to shoot. Do you know your neighbors? Are they accustomed to hearing you shooting on your property? Are they the type who call the police every time they hear a gunshot in the woods? The best solution is that there is no noise complaint and no reason for the police to be summoned. You figure it out from there.

There's no need to carry ID on your own property. But since you're worried about it just carry your ID. What's the problem? Do it or don't.

Transport laws apply even on your property. If you are using any type of vehicle carry the case with you. If you have an antique letter keep a copy in the case.

If you are on foot carrying the antique make sure it is not concealed. If you carry it openly then use discretion as to the time and place - you want to avoid being reported as a "man with a gun". You might just have a friendly conversation with a reasonable cop, or you might experience full take-down mode from the black pyjama squad.

The best way to avoid legal confrontation is to avoid circumstances that might lead to confrontation. If you want specific legal advice - GET IT FROM A COMPETENT LAWYER. The judge won't be impressed when you tell him you screwed up because you got bad legal advice on the internet... :p

That's all my wisdom. Now go forth and sin no more. ;)
 
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Thank you Jethunter for the polite and excellent answer.
I don't foresee an issue here,it was a question in regards
to the video.The horse question stemmed from my understanding
that when you are transporting down a road or trail,you are
under the transport regs,but once you leave the trail or
road,would it not be considered in use,this is what I was
trying to get a better understanding of.As for the canoe,
being on the water is considered a navigable water way,
I believe to be transporting,but as some else mentioned,
it is an unpower boat?

I will error on the side of extreme caution.;)
 
Ok just to be Clear here with theses posts that come up.
Number 1 everyone who buys and likes to shoot and antique should join a gun club.
I shoot my guns at the local range not in the Bush much as i dont want a shot thats heard accross Canada, like the wrong person hearing or seeing that even tho going by the regs its legal to do.

I take my Antique with me on walks in the bush because i can, and feel good knowing its on my person not so much to shoot it, thats what ranges are for.

I dont recomend blasting away at stumps in crown land when theres perfectly good ranges where you can shoot without any worrys about who will hear or see you or COs strip searching you.

I take my Antique for the feeling it gives me and knowing my 250 gr lead SWC bullets at 800+ FPS is better than waveing my #### in the air should i be attacked (by anything) or one of my dogs attacked by anything while out there. my legal reason for haveing it is to target shoot but lets face it if a cougar jumps you your gona do whatever it takes to get outa that situation.

Common sence and being responsible keeping a low profile by useing your safe local range when shooting is the way to go.
I like haveing my antique with me in remote places but i dont blast away at stuff for s**ts and giggles. ;)

I should be able to do this till i die of old age and if i never fire a shot out there so be it.
The range is much more fun no worries place to shoot.

Edit:: Dam i thought this was the Bush carry Sticky. Mods can move this please if they want.
 
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